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> We obviously understand it can have a lot of beneficial effects in society Really? Because nobody seems to be talking about them. You talk about how bad thin

> We obviously understand it can have a lot of beneficial effects in society Really? Because nobody seems to be talking about them. You talk about how bad things "will" occur. What about bad things that are literally happening right now?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> What about bad things that are literally happening right now? Our lives are good. No child loses sleep for the bogeyman under the neighbor's bed.
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ChatGTP 4y ago
Do you think throwing “AI” problems at scale into this mix is a good thing to do right now ?
xiphias2 4y ago
Maybe think of the children. Why should they go to school at all? Why should they study? What should they study? What should I tell them? A person who works in tourism just told me that he wants to learn something safer, because he had no job during COVID, so he started studying web design. All I could tell him is that that job has peaked, and I believe tourism is safer at this point.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  What will all the serfs and slaves do for a living, now that we have tractors and combine harvesters? I mean, that's > 90% of all jobs! How will we cope with 90% unemployment? (it should be obvious that this is not serious... humanity has survived "machines are taking all the jobs" many times before, and it will survive this one too)
- birdyrooster 4y ago
  Maybe they shouldn’t? Jesus what is with people shaming others for not attaining some arbitrary level of education and career?
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    Ok so what will they be doing instead ?
    - yellowapple 4y ago
      Playing? Actually enjoying their childhoods?
      - ChatGTP 4y ago
        Then, where do they get money from and food, will that be provided for fee by AGIs? Who will own the AGI systems ? How will they ensure they’re in alignment with the children’s goals ?
        yellowapple 4y ago
        > Then, where do they get money from and food, will that be provided for fee by AGIs? Works for me. > Who will own the AGI systems ? Communities, ideally: > How will they ensure they’re in alignment with the children’s goals ? Community ownership tends to produce the best alignments with the goals of said community - including the children thereof.
        ChatGTP 4y ago
        At what stage with the AGI be handed over to “the people”. I’m not being a prick on purpose, but one should ask these questions rather than reaching for blind optimism.
        yellowapple 4y ago
        > At what stage with the AGI be handed over to “the people”. That's pretty much automatic if the AGI is free software trained on free data. > I’m not being a prick on purpose You ain't being a prick at all; they're questions worth asking. Their answers do depend on optimism, but said optimism ain't "blind" in the slightest; rather, the optimism is a prescription: a goal for which we should be striving, and which we should be keeping in mind in our slow march toward an AGI-enabled potentially-post-scarcity society.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> What about bad things that are literally happening right now? Our lives are good. No child loses sleep for the bogeyman under the neighbor's bed.

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ChatGTP 4y ago

Do you think throwing “AI” problems at scale into this mix is a good thing to do right now ?

xiphias2 4y ago

Maybe think of the children. Why should they go to school at all? Why should they study? What should they study? What should I tell them? A person who works in tourism just told me that he wants to learn something safer, because he had no job during COVID, so he started studying web design. All I could tell him is that that job has peaked, and I believe tourism is safer at this point.

Turing_Machine 4y ago
What will all the serfs and slaves do for a living, now that we have tractors and combine harvesters? I mean, that's > 90% of all jobs! How will we cope with 90% unemployment? (it should be obvious that this is not serious... humanity has survived "machines are taking all the jobs" many times before, and it will survive this one too)
birdyrooster 4y ago
Maybe they shouldn’t? Jesus what is with people shaming others for not attaining some arbitrary level of education and career?
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Ok so what will they be doing instead ?
  - yellowapple 4y ago
    Playing? Actually enjoying their childhoods?
    - ChatGTP 4y ago
      Then, where do they get money from and food, will that be provided for fee by AGIs? Who will own the AGI systems ? How will they ensure they’re in alignment with the children’s goals ?
      - yellowapple 4y ago
        > Then, where do they get money from and food, will that be provided for fee by AGIs? Works for me. > Who will own the AGI systems ? Communities, ideally: > How will they ensure they’re in alignment with the children’s goals ? Community ownership tends to produce the best alignments with the goals of said community - including the children thereof.
        ChatGTP 4y ago
        At what stage with the AGI be handed over to “the people”. I’m not being a prick on purpose, but one should ask these questions rather than reaching for blind optimism.
        yellowapple 4y ago
        > At what stage with the AGI be handed over to “the people”. That's pretty much automatic if the AGI is free software trained on free data. > I’m not being a prick on purpose You ain't being a prick at all; they're questions worth asking. Their answers do depend on optimism, but said optimism ain't "blind" in the slightest; rather, the optimism is a prescription: a goal for which we should be striving, and which we should be keeping in mind in our slow march toward an AGI-enabled potentially-post-scarcity society.