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However what nobody has really answered well is what happens to the artists So does the world currently only listen to singer-songwriters on acoustic guitar at

However what nobody has really answered well is what happens to the artists So does the world currently only listen to singer-songwriters on acoustic guitar at small local venues? The humanity in the consumption of art has been subject to mass commodification for centuries at this point. This process is driven by money and not love. Technology has nothing to do with it.

hackyhacky 4y ago
You're technically correct, but missing the point: When technology destroys menial jobs, it's progress. When technology destroys white-color jobs, it's a threat. </irony>
- chucksmash 4y ago
  When technology destroys work people don't like to do, it's progress. When technology destroys work people like to do, it's _______.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > When technology destroys work people like to do, it's _______. Liberating. I remember enjoying laying out sheet music. Doesn't mean I scorn my iPad.
    - hackyhacky 4y ago
      Did you lose your livelihood because your iPad made composing easier? If not, then technology didn't destroy your work.
      - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > Did you lose your livelihood because your iPad made composing easier Page flippers sure did. (I'm not a professional musician.)
  - hackyhacky 4y ago
    > When technology destroys work people don't like to do, it's progress. The Luddites would beg to differ. People don't work because they like it, they work because they need to. "Work" that doesn't support your livelihood is correctly referred to as "play." The interesting thing is how society differently reacts when different classes of people lose their work due to progress.
- gwoolhurme 4y ago
  I dont think I have ever said this though. Telling truck drivers to learn to code was disgusting and horrible. There HAS to be a better solution to these things that society can come up with. I don't have those answers, but jesus christ look at the shit show below my original comment. I am not saying pause research, stop AI, or do anything like that. I welcome the eradication of certain medical issues. I just want to know what society will do? To be frank I have said in other threads as well... if I lose my visa and job my only solution I've thought of as of yet is suicide.
Taywee 4y ago
We've had big advancements before that allow people to do more with less, but this is a staggering leap. The jump from "you need to get a whole bunch of people together to practice and play music together" to "one person can make skilled music in their bedroom" isn't even comparable to "Hey AI, make me a reggaeton darkwave album performed by Kurt Cobain and Tiny Tim". We're not talking just more art here, or some people losing jobs who then have to retrain. We're talking with possibly very near advancements, entire industries completely emptying, with hundreds of millions of people who now have nothing to do and nowhere to retrain to. Other advancements have caused job losses and opened many more. I'm not understanding where all the potential displacements from AI are supposed to go, or how we're going to balance an economy when you need an order of magnitude fewer employees than ever to pump out more content than anybody could hope to consume.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > but this is a staggering leap More than industrialization? Come on. It's staggering because it's impacting us.
  - DougN7 4y ago
    Industrialization was slow - it took many decades to happen, so people could adapt. I don’t see us having that luxury of time.
    - zugi 4y ago
      AI is slow, it's been coming since the 1980s and still has decades to go.
  - Taywee 4y ago
    Absolutely more. This takes very hard and challenging work and turns it into nearly nothing. This reduces decades of skilled labor and education into an algorithm. I'm not undervaluing industrialization, but the improvement in productivity wasn't on the same scale. We're talking reducing weeks of work to seconds in some cases, and that's not even being optimistic with what improvements we might still see in the coming years.

hackyhacky 4y ago

You're technically correct, but missing the point: When technology destroys menial jobs, it's progress. When technology destroys white-color jobs, it's a threat. </irony>

chucksmash 4y ago
When technology destroys work people don't like to do, it's progress. When technology destroys work people like to do, it's _______.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > When technology destroys work people like to do, it's _______. Liberating. I remember enjoying laying out sheet music. Doesn't mean I scorn my iPad.
  - hackyhacky 4y ago
    Did you lose your livelihood because your iPad made composing easier? If not, then technology didn't destroy your work.
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > Did you lose your livelihood because your iPad made composing easier Page flippers sure did. (I'm not a professional musician.)
- hackyhacky 4y ago
  > When technology destroys work people don't like to do, it's progress. The Luddites would beg to differ. People don't work because they like it, they work because they need to. "Work" that doesn't support your livelihood is correctly referred to as "play." The interesting thing is how society differently reacts when different classes of people lose their work due to progress.
gwoolhurme 4y ago
I dont think I have ever said this though. Telling truck drivers to learn to code was disgusting and horrible. There HAS to be a better solution to these things that society can come up with. I don't have those answers, but jesus christ look at the shit show below my original comment. I am not saying pause research, stop AI, or do anything like that. I welcome the eradication of certain medical issues. I just want to know what society will do? To be frank I have said in other threads as well... if I lose my visa and job my only solution I've thought of as of yet is suicide.

Taywee 4y ago

We've had big advancements before that allow people to do more with less, but this is a staggering leap. The jump from "you need to get a whole bunch of people together to practice and play music together" to "one person can make skilled music in their bedroom" isn't even comparable to "Hey AI, make me a reggaeton darkwave album performed by Kurt Cobain and Tiny Tim". We're not talking just more art here, or some people losing jobs who then have to retrain. We're talking with possibly very near advancements, entire industries completely emptying, with hundreds of millions of people who now have nothing to do and nowhere to retrain to. Other advancements have caused job losses and opened many more. I'm not understanding where all the potential displacements from AI are supposed to go, or how we're going to balance an economy when you need an order of magnitude fewer employees than ever to pump out more content than anybody could hope to consume.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> but this is a staggering leap More than industrialization? Come on. It's staggering because it's impacting us.
- DougN7 4y ago
  Industrialization was slow - it took many decades to happen, so people could adapt. I don’t see us having that luxury of time.
  - zugi 4y ago
    AI is slow, it's been coming since the 1980s and still has decades to go.
- Taywee 4y ago
  Absolutely more. This takes very hard and challenging work and turns it into nearly nothing. This reduces decades of skilled labor and education into an algorithm. I'm not undervaluing industrialization, but the improvement in productivity wasn't on the same scale. We're talking reducing weeks of work to seconds in some cases, and that's not even being optimistic with what improvements we might still see in the coming years.