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If you think AI is a disaster, think about the potential for medical breakthroughs that can emerge from this. The “think of the good” argument is over played.

If you think AI is a disaster, think about the potential for medical breakthroughs that can emerge from this. The “think of the good” argument is over played. Same was true for combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct. I’d like it if people just stopped with it. People aren’t idiots, they know good things and very bad things can be achieved.

gwoolhurme 4y ago
Yeah I really hate this line of argument as well. We obviously understand it can have a lot of beneficial effects in society. It's a strawman to say that people don't see that. The problem is nobody seems to be properly discussing the bad things that can and will occur.
- chatgtpsux 4y ago
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- bugglebeetle 4y ago
  We can of course also judge the track record on this kind of techno-optimist rhetoric. People expressed all the same lofty ideals about social media, almost all of which have been outweighed by what we really got: anger-driven addiction, micro-targeted propaganda, turn-key state surveillance, and teenagers attempting suicide at all time highs.
  - nullsense 4y ago
    Now take that and 100x it.
  - brigadier132 4y ago
    > People expressed all the same lofty ideals about social media Who (that wasn't a billionaire owner of a social media company)? Also, major strawman.
- brigadier132 4y ago
  > We obviously understand it can have a lot of beneficial effects in society Really? Because nobody seems to be talking about them. You talk about how bad things "will" occur. What about bad things that are literally happening right now?
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > What about bad things that are literally happening right now? Our lives are good. No child loses sleep for the bogeyman under the neighbor's bed.
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  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    Do you think throwing “AI” problems at scale into this mix is a good thing to do right now ?
  - xiphias2 4y ago
    Maybe think of the children. Why should they go to school at all? Why should they study? What should they study? What should I tell them? A person who works in tourism just told me that he wants to learn something safer, because he had no job during COVID, so he started studying web design. All I could tell him is that that job has peaked, and I believe tourism is safer at this point.
    - Turing_Machine 4y ago
      What will all the serfs and slaves do for a living, now that we have tractors and combine harvesters? I mean, that's > 90% of all jobs! How will we cope with 90% unemployment? (it should be obvious that this is not serious... humanity has survived "machines are taking all the jobs" many times before, and it will survive this one too)
    - birdyrooster 4y ago
      Maybe they shouldn’t? Jesus what is with people shaming others for not attaining some arbitrary level of education and career?
chatgtpsux 4y ago
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asah 4y ago
Given the ability to sustain billions, statistically speaking neither of us would've been born if it weren't for the combustion engine.
brigadier132 4y ago
Are you seriously suggesting humanity would be better off without the combustion engine? Also, presumably an AI powerful enough to kill vast swathes of humanity would be powerful enough to prevent something like climate change.
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Yes, I am absolutely suggesting that. Not all engines but petroleum fuelled combustion engines, yes. The world is going through a mass extinction event because of burning oil and coal and combustion engines have been an absolutely integral part of that ecological disaster. So yes. Just be real about it? Why do “EV” subsidies exist? To wean us off combustion engines to save the planet. Combustion engines should’ve been much more carefully regulated and we should’ve had better incentives against their use.
  - lannisterstark 4y ago
    >Yes, I am absolutely suggesting that. Alright unabomber. What an unhinged statement that is. Combustion engine that is arguably one of the major causes of reducing poverty everywhere is a bad thing, I tell you hwat! I love how you people(and it's generally people from developed countries too lol) can't think beyond your own needs and POVs. Yeah man, how dare the poor people in developing and impoverished nations increase their QoL.
    - ChatGTP 4y ago
      I'm not going to get upset about your ignorant statements, but you should be easily able to realize that we could've achieved similar results with electric systems a long time ago. We could've deployed nuclear a long time ago, wind etc. We could've used and invested further in electric tractors 50 years ago. You're conflating what I'm saying, I'm not saying technology wasn't helpful, I'm saying the internal combustion engine, sucked and still sucks and that we need to be careful when deploying technology at scale. It wasn't just the internal combustion engine that has been a problem, oil wars, dictators, lead based fuels, deaths from air pollute, these thing have caused incredible amounts of harm. Lastly, we're not also out of the woods yet, it's not over, go look at some climate charts and look at the trajectory we're on, the world is getting hotter, faster. Also strip mining the world for lithium and cobalt will also have massive implications for the planet. I know we like to think we're clever, but we're rarely wise.
Riverheart 4y ago
If only they’d focus their research on that instead of art and music.
erikpukinskis 4y ago
> combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct. !RemindMe 150 years
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Same was true for combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct. What? Because we weren't burning fossil fuels before cars? Besides forgetting about trains, steamships and the coal-powered Industrial Revolution, you're ignoring the billions of lives lifted out of poverty.
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  I guess one could argue this was also a pretty stupid thing to do ? I read Tesla’s auto-biography, he even knew back then we were messing up a lot.
shepherdjerred 4y ago
> Same was true for combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct. Climate change is a serious issue, but you cheapen and discredit it by exaggerating its impact. There is zero chance climate change will cause humans to go extinct. If my stance is incorrect, please reply with some evidence.
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  I don’t think you need a paper to understand that if unchecked, climate change will mean humans are pretty much done. At least a modern civilisation like the one we have today. Societal collapse is on the cards for sure if we stay in the current trajectory. I’m not going to waste time providing you with evidence I’m sorry. You should already understand the situation.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  You're being pedantic. Sure, there's zero chance humans will actually go extinct; instead, the climatic effects and then the ensuing breakdown in society leading up to thermonuclear war will "only" wipe out 99% of the population, leaving some bands of survivors to live in the rubble. In 10,000 years, humans will still be around, living in small tribes just as they were 1M years ago, and unable to regain ever regain the level of technology they had before because easy-to-access energy sources are all depleted so a new industrial revolution is impossible. For all intents and purposes, humans as a global society will be extinct, even if the species itself isn't. Perhaps our descendants will evolve into aquatic creatures with smaller heads and brains.

gwoolhurme 4y ago

Yeah I really hate this line of argument as well. We obviously understand it can have a lot of beneficial effects in society. It's a strawman to say that people don't see that. The problem is nobody seems to be properly discussing the bad things that can and will occur.

chatgtpsux 4y ago
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bugglebeetle 4y ago
We can of course also judge the track record on this kind of techno-optimist rhetoric. People expressed all the same lofty ideals about social media, almost all of which have been outweighed by what we really got: anger-driven addiction, micro-targeted propaganda, turn-key state surveillance, and teenagers attempting suicide at all time highs.
- nullsense 4y ago
  Now take that and 100x it.
- brigadier132 4y ago
  > People expressed all the same lofty ideals about social media Who (that wasn't a billionaire owner of a social media company)? Also, major strawman.
brigadier132 4y ago
> We obviously understand it can have a lot of beneficial effects in society Really? Because nobody seems to be talking about them. You talk about how bad things "will" occur. What about bad things that are literally happening right now?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > What about bad things that are literally happening right now? Our lives are good. No child loses sleep for the bogeyman under the neighbor's bed.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Do you think throwing “AI” problems at scale into this mix is a good thing to do right now ?
- xiphias2 4y ago
  Maybe think of the children. Why should they go to school at all? Why should they study? What should they study? What should I tell them? A person who works in tourism just told me that he wants to learn something safer, because he had no job during COVID, so he started studying web design. All I could tell him is that that job has peaked, and I believe tourism is safer at this point.
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    What will all the serfs and slaves do for a living, now that we have tractors and combine harvesters? I mean, that's > 90% of all jobs! How will we cope with 90% unemployment? (it should be obvious that this is not serious... humanity has survived "machines are taking all the jobs" many times before, and it will survive this one too)
  - birdyrooster 4y ago
    Maybe they shouldn’t? Jesus what is with people shaming others for not attaining some arbitrary level of education and career?

chatgtpsux 4y ago

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asah 4y ago

Given the ability to sustain billions, statistically speaking neither of us would've been born if it weren't for the combustion engine.

brigadier132 4y ago

Are you seriously suggesting humanity would be better off without the combustion engine? Also, presumably an AI powerful enough to kill vast swathes of humanity would be powerful enough to prevent something like climate change.

ChatGTP 4y ago
Yes, I am absolutely suggesting that. Not all engines but petroleum fuelled combustion engines, yes. The world is going through a mass extinction event because of burning oil and coal and combustion engines have been an absolutely integral part of that ecological disaster. So yes. Just be real about it? Why do “EV” subsidies exist? To wean us off combustion engines to save the planet. Combustion engines should’ve been much more carefully regulated and we should’ve had better incentives against their use.
- lannisterstark 4y ago
  >Yes, I am absolutely suggesting that. Alright unabomber. What an unhinged statement that is. Combustion engine that is arguably one of the major causes of reducing poverty everywhere is a bad thing, I tell you hwat! I love how you people(and it's generally people from developed countries too lol) can't think beyond your own needs and POVs. Yeah man, how dare the poor people in developing and impoverished nations increase their QoL.
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    I'm not going to get upset about your ignorant statements, but you should be easily able to realize that we could've achieved similar results with electric systems a long time ago. We could've deployed nuclear a long time ago, wind etc. We could've used and invested further in electric tractors 50 years ago. You're conflating what I'm saying, I'm not saying technology wasn't helpful, I'm saying the internal combustion engine, sucked and still sucks and that we need to be careful when deploying technology at scale. It wasn't just the internal combustion engine that has been a problem, oil wars, dictators, lead based fuels, deaths from air pollute, these thing have caused incredible amounts of harm. Lastly, we're not also out of the woods yet, it's not over, go look at some climate charts and look at the trajectory we're on, the world is getting hotter, faster. Also strip mining the world for lithium and cobalt will also have massive implications for the planet. I know we like to think we're clever, but we're rarely wise.

Riverheart 4y ago

If only they’d focus their research on that instead of art and music.

erikpukinskis 4y ago

> combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct. !RemindMe 150 years

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> Same was true for combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct. What? Because we weren't burning fossil fuels before cars? Besides forgetting about trains, steamships and the coal-powered Industrial Revolution, you're ignoring the billions of lives lifted out of poverty.

ChatGTP 4y ago
I guess one could argue this was also a pretty stupid thing to do ? I read Tesla’s auto-biography, he even knew back then we were messing up a lot.

shepherdjerred 4y ago

> Same was true for combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct. Climate change is a serious issue, but you cheapen and discredit it by exaggerating its impact. There is zero chance climate change will cause humans to go extinct. If my stance is incorrect, please reply with some evidence.

ChatGTP 4y ago
I don’t think you need a paper to understand that if unchecked, climate change will mean humans are pretty much done. At least a modern civilisation like the one we have today. Societal collapse is on the cards for sure if we stay in the current trajectory. I’m not going to waste time providing you with evidence I’m sorry. You should already understand the situation.
midoridensha 4y ago
You're being pedantic. Sure, there's zero chance humans will actually go extinct; instead, the climatic effects and then the ensuing breakdown in society leading up to thermonuclear war will "only" wipe out 99% of the population, leaving some bands of survivors to live in the rubble. In 10,000 years, humans will still be around, living in small tribes just as they were 1M years ago, and unable to regain ever regain the level of technology they had before because easy-to-access energy sources are all depleted so a new industrial revolution is impossible. For all intents and purposes, humans as a global society will be extinct, even if the species itself isn't. Perhaps our descendants will evolve into aquatic creatures with smaller heads and brains.