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That's what i don't get about all the snap complaining. If you know what a snap is, you're already an outlier. If it bothers the user so much, why don't they go

That's what i don't get about all the snap complaining. If you know what a snap is, you're already an outlier. If it bothers the user so much, why don't they go straight to the source to begin with (aka Debian)? You can get to the exact same setup.

silisili 4y ago
I haven't tried Debian in a decade or so, in fairness, but it used to be the case that - a) ubuntu had newer packages b) ubuntu had a much nicer installer c) ubuntu had nice defaults/polish on the ui and fonts Maybe Debian has changed since, but that's why I'd been hesitant to install it in the past.
- zokier 4y ago
  Ubuntu lts and debian release on pretty comparable cycles, so the newer packages doesn't really hold anymore. Debian installer is pretty straightforward these days imho, but I might be just used to it. Ubuntu has done more customization on the DE compared to pretty much everyone, with Debian you get closer to vanilla gnome experience. This can be seen both as pro and con.
- doubled112 4y ago
  The current stable Debian (11) is two years old. Of course it has older packages than distros released more recently. Debian 12 is newer than 22.04 right now, and probably about the same as Ubuntu 23.04. It's in hard freeze, and soon to be released though. The Debian live DVDs are using the Calamares installer now, if that's more your style. Debian's normal installer is still the same as it always was. Debian is still more default, you set it up for yourself than Ubuntu. I don't like Ubuntu's defaults, but I know what you mean. GNOME's defaults are better now, if that helps out.
- forty 4y ago
  For a/ you can use Debian testing and I think it's more or less the same. For b/ I don't install my OS often enough that it matters that much to me (I think on a laptop I went from Ubuntu 9.04 to 18.04 without ever re installing) These days I like old and stable and use Debian stable + backport (mostly for kernel) even for desktop, and I'm really happy :)
johnny22 4y ago
or use a derivative like popos or mint. that way you get newer packages than debian. I am interested to see how they will fare in the long term as ubuntu moves farther and farther away from debian though.
rhaway84773 4y ago
Maybe because some of us are actual users of Ubuntu, and have deep workflows based on it, with our personal and work lives dependent on running it. Switching to a new OS isn’t something that’s either easy or a decision that can be made lightly.

silisili 4y ago

I haven't tried Debian in a decade or so, in fairness, but it used to be the case that - a) ubuntu had newer packages b) ubuntu had a much nicer installer c) ubuntu had nice defaults/polish on the ui and fonts Maybe Debian has changed since, but that's why I'd been hesitant to install it in the past.

zokier 4y ago
Ubuntu lts and debian release on pretty comparable cycles, so the newer packages doesn't really hold anymore. Debian installer is pretty straightforward these days imho, but I might be just used to it. Ubuntu has done more customization on the DE compared to pretty much everyone, with Debian you get closer to vanilla gnome experience. This can be seen both as pro and con.
doubled112 4y ago
The current stable Debian (11) is two years old. Of course it has older packages than distros released more recently. Debian 12 is newer than 22.04 right now, and probably about the same as Ubuntu 23.04. It's in hard freeze, and soon to be released though. The Debian live DVDs are using the Calamares installer now, if that's more your style. Debian's normal installer is still the same as it always was. Debian is still more default, you set it up for yourself than Ubuntu. I don't like Ubuntu's defaults, but I know what you mean. GNOME's defaults are better now, if that helps out.
forty 4y ago
For a/ you can use Debian testing and I think it's more or less the same. For b/ I don't install my OS often enough that it matters that much to me (I think on a laptop I went from Ubuntu 9.04 to 18.04 without ever re installing) These days I like old and stable and use Debian stable + backport (mostly for kernel) even for desktop, and I'm really happy :)

johnny22 4y ago

or use a derivative like popos or mint. that way you get newer packages than debian. I am interested to see how they will fare in the long term as ubuntu moves farther and farther away from debian though.

rhaway84773 4y ago

Maybe because some of us are actual users of Ubuntu, and have deep workflows based on it, with our personal and work lives dependent on running it. Switching to a new OS isn’t something that’s either easy or a decision that can be made lightly.