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Ilya _was_ at Google Brain, so something doesn’t add up there. I believe people wanted to launch things, but higher management stopped it. I was next to the te

Ilya _was_ at Google Brain, so something doesn’t add up there. I believe people wanted to launch things, but higher management stopped it. I was next to the team that created Allo’s chat bot, but they said that they had to take out most cool stuff because legal didn’t allow it to launch, so they had to dumb it down totally. I believe the main problem was all the ethics/safety teams that just hired a lot of non-programmers, while OpenAI management treated safety as an engineering problem that has to be solved with a technical solution.

fnbr 4y ago
Yeah, but Ilya left. Doesn't that prove your point?
bushbaba 4y ago
OpenAI isn’t a multibillion profitable public company with many prior lost (some won) lawsuits. To some extent they didn’t have anything to loose by cutting corners. This is one of startups greatest advantages over established players.
- kmac_ 4y ago
  Microsoft is a multibillion profitable public company and they managed to extend the search in no time. Google is not as effective as it could be. They have great engineering and they proved that many times, but something is not working on the product design side.
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- rmbyrro 4y ago
  This is such a lousy excuse on Google part. We see multi-billion public companies bringing bold innovative products to extremely regulated sectors, like pharmaceutical and medical devices. Google can't deploy a chatbot because of lawsuits? Oh, c'mon...
  - svantana 4y ago
    Hindsight is 20/20. Before ChatGPT, chatbots had a lousy track record. Pretty much any such project run by bigtech had been cancelled due to PR issues ("Tay" etc).
    - htrp 4y ago
      MSFT got their fingers burned on Tay but were still willing to do a chatbot. Google didn't even bother despite having all the tech in place. and i can't believe I'm saying this but it seems microsoft has the ability to at least deliver innovation.
rmbyrro 4y ago
So the problem at Google is not the lack of good product managers and engineers, but the lack of bold leadership, then.

fnbr 4y ago

Yeah, but Ilya left. Doesn't that prove your point?

bushbaba 4y ago

OpenAI isn’t a multibillion profitable public company with many prior lost (some won) lawsuits. To some extent they didn’t have anything to loose by cutting corners. This is one of startups greatest advantages over established players.

kmac_ 4y ago
Microsoft is a multibillion profitable public company and they managed to extend the search in no time. Google is not as effective as it could be. They have great engineering and they proved that many times, but something is not working on the product design side.
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rmbyrro 4y ago
This is such a lousy excuse on Google part. We see multi-billion public companies bringing bold innovative products to extremely regulated sectors, like pharmaceutical and medical devices. Google can't deploy a chatbot because of lawsuits? Oh, c'mon...
- svantana 4y ago
  Hindsight is 20/20. Before ChatGPT, chatbots had a lousy track record. Pretty much any such project run by bigtech had been cancelled due to PR issues ("Tay" etc).
  - htrp 4y ago
    MSFT got their fingers burned on Tay but were still willing to do a chatbot. Google didn't even bother despite having all the tech in place. and i can't believe I'm saying this but it seems microsoft has the ability to at least deliver innovation.

rmbyrro 4y ago

So the problem at Google is not the lack of good product managers and engineers, but the lack of bold leadership, then.