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I wasn’t aware that there were forced vaccinations. Where was this?

by tnel77 4y ago

slaw 4y ago
If you don't vaccinate for covid you loose your job was enough to enforce. Limited freedom of movement too.
- tnel77 4y ago
  The same people who cried about this are usually the ones who tell you to “learn to code,” “just move,” and to “pull yourself up by your bootstraps.” I have a hard time having sympathy for people who are misinformed and make sad choices as a result.
  - yonaguska 4y ago
    Authoritarianism is ok as long as it's only detrimental to people I don't like. Being vaccinated was a sad choice for many. These are real people whose lives have been ruined by an industry who's most important mantra is "do no harm". https://twitter.com/MikeOMara https://twitter.com/MikeOMara This account is actually pretty gut wrenching.
    - tnel77 4y ago
      If true, that’s genuinely sad. But it raises the philosophical question: what’s one life compared millions saved? That’s easy to say when you aren’t the one with (alleged) vaccine induced ALS.
      - slaw 4y ago
        I didn't save any lives, I had covid 6 months earlier than I had vaccination.
        tnel77 4y ago
        Not a single life was saved from the vaccines, even though deaths from COVID were almost exclusively amongst the unvaccinated once a majority of the population received their shots? That’s an interesting take.
    - myko 4y ago
      This seems highly unlikely to be true, that account is not describing symptoms of ALS, and no doctor has diagnosed him with it. It's more likely inflammatory induced muscle spasms, which could happen due to abuse of drugs such as ivermectin–if I were treating him (Army Medic, ~EMT-P equiv, not a doc), I'd recommend he stop taking it. A few months without ivermectin and maybe a muscle relaxer should do it. After perusing his timeline some more, I get the feeling that doctors have told him this already and he's ignoring their advice in an antivax crusade that unfortunately media has perpetuated. He keeps asking for doctors to give him the Dx he wants, not the one he actually has. These lies are hurting real folks, and he is a prime example of it :/
- myko 4y ago
  This was unambiguously the right thing to do, if you refused to vaccinate you should not have been in public spaces at the height of the pandemic, period.
  - Izkata 4y ago
    It was never the "right thing to do" because there was never evidence these vaccinations prevented infection/transmission. Even if they did work for that, restricting human rights was still not the right thing to do.
    - myko 4y ago
      You claim there is no evidence the vaccinations prevent infections or reduce transmission? That would mean the vaccines are completely ineffective. You are getting your information from a bad source. > restricting human rights was still not the right thing to do. This is something worth debating, but if you refuse to concede the vaccines are useful then it isn't worth getting to that point in the debate.
      - Izkata 4y ago
        > You claim there is no evidence the vaccinations prevent infections or reduce transmission? That would mean the vaccines are completely ineffective. Wrong. The evidence is that they suppressed symptoms, which people misunderstood as preventing infection/transmission.
        myko 4y ago
        Where did you see that? It is incorrect, and dangerous disinformation to spread. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/12/424546/covid-19-vaccines-prior-infection-reduce-transmission-omicron https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/12/424546/covid-19-vaccines-p... https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298 https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02328-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02328-0 The reality is the vaccines do reduce transmission, just not as much as hoped. They are very effective at preventing infection, though that immunity wanes over time (just as immunity from infection does), but it does continue to help prevent serious illness from occurring.
yonaguska 4y ago
I consider it forced when people are threatened with loss of job or livelihood while also having a family to sustain. You may disagree. And technically, you'd be right.

I wasn’t aware that there were forced vaccinations. Where was this?

by tnel77 4y ago

I wasn’t aware that there were forced vaccinations. Where was this?

slaw 4y ago

If you don't vaccinate for covid you loose your job was enough to enforce. Limited freedom of movement too.

tnel77 4y ago
The same people who cried about this are usually the ones who tell you to “learn to code,” “just move,” and to “pull yourself up by your bootstraps.” I have a hard time having sympathy for people who are misinformed and make sad choices as a result.
- yonaguska 4y ago
  Authoritarianism is ok as long as it's only detrimental to people I don't like. Being vaccinated was a sad choice for many. These are real people whose lives have been ruined by an industry who's most important mantra is "do no harm". https://twitter.com/MikeOMara https://twitter.com/MikeOMara This account is actually pretty gut wrenching.
  - tnel77 4y ago
    If true, that’s genuinely sad. But it raises the philosophical question: what’s one life compared millions saved? That’s easy to say when you aren’t the one with (alleged) vaccine induced ALS.
    - slaw 4y ago
      I didn't save any lives, I had covid 6 months earlier than I had vaccination.
      - tnel77 4y ago
        Not a single life was saved from the vaccines, even though deaths from COVID were almost exclusively amongst the unvaccinated once a majority of the population received their shots? That’s an interesting take.
  - myko 4y ago
    This seems highly unlikely to be true, that account is not describing symptoms of ALS, and no doctor has diagnosed him with it. It's more likely inflammatory induced muscle spasms, which could happen due to abuse of drugs such as ivermectin–if I were treating him (Army Medic, ~EMT-P equiv, not a doc), I'd recommend he stop taking it. A few months without ivermectin and maybe a muscle relaxer should do it. After perusing his timeline some more, I get the feeling that doctors have told him this already and he's ignoring their advice in an antivax crusade that unfortunately media has perpetuated. He keeps asking for doctors to give him the Dx he wants, not the one he actually has. These lies are hurting real folks, and he is a prime example of it :/
myko 4y ago
This was unambiguously the right thing to do, if you refused to vaccinate you should not have been in public spaces at the height of the pandemic, period.
- Izkata 4y ago
  It was never the "right thing to do" because there was never evidence these vaccinations prevented infection/transmission. Even if they did work for that, restricting human rights was still not the right thing to do.
  - myko 4y ago
    You claim there is no evidence the vaccinations prevent infections or reduce transmission? That would mean the vaccines are completely ineffective. You are getting your information from a bad source. > restricting human rights was still not the right thing to do. This is something worth debating, but if you refuse to concede the vaccines are useful then it isn't worth getting to that point in the debate.
    - Izkata 4y ago
      > You claim there is no evidence the vaccinations prevent infections or reduce transmission? That would mean the vaccines are completely ineffective. Wrong. The evidence is that they suppressed symptoms, which people misunderstood as preventing infection/transmission.
      - myko 4y ago
        Where did you see that? It is incorrect, and dangerous disinformation to spread. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/12/424546/covid-19-vaccines-prior-infection-reduce-transmission-omicron https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/12/424546/covid-19-vaccines-p... https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298 https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02328-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02328-0 The reality is the vaccines do reduce transmission, just not as much as hoped. They are very effective at preventing infection, though that immunity wanes over time (just as immunity from infection does), but it does continue to help prevent serious illness from occurring.

yonaguska 4y ago

I consider it forced when people are threatened with loss of job or livelihood while also having a family to sustain. You may disagree. And technically, you'd be right.