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1. It's free. 2. Boring is good. 3. Unlike Windows - significant but meh, more adverts in the product one paid for!

eastbound 4y ago
> It’s free I want to pay for my Linux. I’d write a wishlist but anyone could write another one, but I’d take any OS that convinces me to pay $300 a year. I’d pay for anything as nice as macOS (with the old control panel). I pay that price for my IDE and an OS is worth way more, open-source at that, which actually advances humanity. Linux is the VIIth wonder of the human civilization, a demonstration of human selflessness, as opposed to Windows, Linux will be here in 50 years becauE OSS is a donation of code to our children; Also no human construction has ever been so widespread across the world and even on other planets (Linux is powering the helicopter flying on Mars), of course I wish I could pay for… for a Linux that made me productive, not like Ubuntu. Also paying means it would actually receive good marketing teams.
- dmonitor 4y ago
  https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enterprise-linux/get-started https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enter... Is this not the theory behind Red Hat?
- Arnavion 4y ago
  At the OS level, the amount of money spent on developers will not be satisfied by a small number of individual users paying $300/year. At that level the funding comes from enterprise customers. You're welcome to use that $300/year to sponsor individual projects / developers.
  - eastbound 4y ago
    Will I get a proper UX in exchange?
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  > I want to pay for my Linux. Go for it: https://ubuntu.com/pro/subscribe https://ubuntu.com/pro/subscribe.
  - eastbound 4y ago
    We need a serious talk about that attitude. It’s been systematic that each time someone says “I’d pay for a good linux”, they’re given the link as if to assume we’re not already paying. You forgot that I want a nice OS in exchange. Moreover, I left Ubuntu. It’s software that I can’t be convinced to use even if it were free. Canonical’s choices (with Unity at the time, but also the mouse issue, and so on) are of the rare kind that they can convince someone to uninstall it and go buy 2x more expensive hardware to run macOS. What’s missing is, I’d pay good money, but I don’t want to fiddle around with the OS. I’d pay for the betterment of the OS, but with distribs, if you pay, you’re still not the customer. And I pay for Debian. But it’s not my desktop OS.
    - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
      > We need a serious talk about that attitude. > It’s been systematic that each time someone says “I’d pay for a good linux”, they’re given the link as if to assume we’re not already paying. Sorry, maybe I misunderstood what you said. You said that "you want to pay". "Wanting to pay" kind of implies that you don't pay today but you would if given an option. I simply thought you were being a jerk. Thanks for clarifying. No offence. > You forgot that I want a nice OS in exchange. Ah, special wishes. The guy next to you wants something that looks like ... beos. Or windows. It's all customizable. You know how it works because > And I pay for Debian. But it’s not my desktop OS. You don't want to, you already pay for some Linux distribution. Apologies, it's difficult to predict what you wanted to say when so much context is missing :)
      - eastbound 4y ago
        All of this was addressed in my first message. Especially the idea that Linux customers having special requests should rather shut up. Everyone has special requests, especially around the idea of having a decent UI that doesn’t make you lose heaps of time with Linux, and as I said, what Linux lacks is proper PMs and marketing guys who would sort and address these UX issues. And fewer obnoxious mobs who just give you the link to pay up and ask you to shut up about your special requests.
- vlunkr 4y ago
  This would be easier if there were only one Linux desktop environment. However, that would be antithetical to the whole idea of Linux.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Making Linux significantly better to use on the desktop would require taking tight control of the GUI stack [EDIT: really, the entire multimedia stack] to de-balkanize it and integrate & standardize its various layers, which would also mean modifying practically every program that uses it (which is why one can't just declare some GUI stack their official one and be done with it—the overall experience will still be super-janky). That's... let's go with unlikely to happen.

> It’s free I want to pay for my Linux. I’d write a wishlist but anyone could write another one, but I’d take any OS that convinces me to pay $300 a year. I’d pay for anything as nice as macOS (with the old control panel). I pay that price for my IDE and an OS is worth way more, open-source at that, which actually advances humanity. Linux is the VIIth wonder of the human civilization, a demonstration of human selflessness, as opposed to Windows, Linux will be here in 50 years becauE OSS is a donation of code to our children; Also no human construction has ever been so widespread across the world and even on other planets (Linux is powering the helicopter flying on Mars), of course I wish I could pay for… for a Linux that made me productive, not like Ubuntu. Also paying means it would actually receive good marketing teams.

dmonitor 4y ago
https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enterprise-linux/get-started https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enter... Is this not the theory behind Red Hat?
Arnavion 4y ago
At the OS level, the amount of money spent on developers will not be satisfied by a small number of individual users paying $300/year. At that level the funding comes from enterprise customers. You're welcome to use that $300/year to sponsor individual projects / developers.
- eastbound 4y ago
  Will I get a proper UX in exchange?
rad_gruchalski 4y ago
> I want to pay for my Linux. Go for it: https://ubuntu.com/pro/subscribe https://ubuntu.com/pro/subscribe.
- eastbound 4y ago
  We need a serious talk about that attitude. It’s been systematic that each time someone says “I’d pay for a good linux”, they’re given the link as if to assume we’re not already paying. You forgot that I want a nice OS in exchange. Moreover, I left Ubuntu. It’s software that I can’t be convinced to use even if it were free. Canonical’s choices (with Unity at the time, but also the mouse issue, and so on) are of the rare kind that they can convince someone to uninstall it and go buy 2x more expensive hardware to run macOS. What’s missing is, I’d pay good money, but I don’t want to fiddle around with the OS. I’d pay for the betterment of the OS, but with distribs, if you pay, you’re still not the customer. And I pay for Debian. But it’s not my desktop OS.
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    > We need a serious talk about that attitude. > It’s been systematic that each time someone says “I’d pay for a good linux”, they’re given the link as if to assume we’re not already paying. Sorry, maybe I misunderstood what you said. You said that "you want to pay". "Wanting to pay" kind of implies that you don't pay today but you would if given an option. I simply thought you were being a jerk. Thanks for clarifying. No offence. > You forgot that I want a nice OS in exchange. Ah, special wishes. The guy next to you wants something that looks like ... beos. Or windows. It's all customizable. You know how it works because > And I pay for Debian. But it’s not my desktop OS. You don't want to, you already pay for some Linux distribution. Apologies, it's difficult to predict what you wanted to say when so much context is missing :)
    - eastbound 4y ago
      All of this was addressed in my first message. Especially the idea that Linux customers having special requests should rather shut up. Everyone has special requests, especially around the idea of having a decent UI that doesn’t make you lose heaps of time with Linux, and as I said, what Linux lacks is proper PMs and marketing guys who would sort and address these UX issues. And fewer obnoxious mobs who just give you the link to pay up and ask you to shut up about your special requests.
vlunkr 4y ago
This would be easier if there were only one Linux desktop environment. However, that would be antithetical to the whole idea of Linux.
yamtaddle 4y ago
Making Linux significantly better to use on the desktop would require taking tight control of the GUI stack [EDIT: really, the entire multimedia stack] to de-balkanize it and integrate & standardize its various layers, which would also mean modifying practically every program that uses it (which is why one can't just declare some GUI stack their official one and be done with it—the overall experience will still be super-janky). That's... let's go with unlikely to happen.