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Does anyone else remember when Ubuntu releases felt...significant? Since 12.04 changes have felt incremental.

by als0 3y ago

Veen 3y ago
Is that a bad thing? It's quite nice to have a stable and consistent OS.
- themodelplumber 3y ago
  If it's even a thing at all? The incremental changes add up to a pretty huge deal, especially if using the LTS only.
Scarbutt 3y ago
What macos releases felt significant?
- voytec 3y ago
  For users, in a positive sense, something around Snow Leopard. For AAPL investors - every version after that is more "significant", especially after OS X was renamed to macOS and dark mode was used to keep nose-y media out of anti-privacy changes like user being informed what is "shared with Apple" instead of being asked whether anything should be "shared with Apple". Downhill after that - children are used in hideous manner by Cook to invade users' privacy, like scanning and profiling their files as a pretense of looking for child porn. I find Cook's use of child porn argument to spy on all users absolutely disgusting.
  - sbuk 3y ago
    You know they did a 180 on that, right?
    - redeeman 3y ago
      there is no going back. once you expose your way of thinking about your customers, its done
rad_gruchalski 3y ago
1. It's free. 2. Boring is good. 3. Unlike Windows - significant but meh, more adverts in the product one paid for!
- eastbound 3y ago
  > It’s free I want to pay for my Linux. I’d write a wishlist but anyone could write another one, but I’d take any OS that convinces me to pay $300 a year. I’d pay for anything as nice as macOS (with the old control panel). I pay that price for my IDE and an OS is worth way more, open-source at that, which actually advances humanity. Linux is the VIIth wonder of the human civilization, a demonstration of human selflessness, as opposed to Windows, Linux will be here in 50 years becauE OSS is a donation of code to our children; Also no human construction has ever been so widespread across the world and even on other planets (Linux is powering the helicopter flying on Mars), of course I wish I could pay for… for a Linux that made me productive, not like Ubuntu. Also paying means it would actually receive good marketing teams.
  - dmonitor 3y ago
    https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enterprise-linux/get-started https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enter... Is this not the theory behind Red Hat?
  - Arnavion 3y ago
    At the OS level, the amount of money spent on developers will not be satisfied by a small number of individual users paying $300/year. At that level the funding comes from enterprise customers. You're welcome to use that $300/year to sponsor individual projects / developers.
    - eastbound 3y ago
      Will I get a proper UX in exchange?
  - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
g8oz 3y ago
Some changes have been detrimental like trying to force Snaps onto people.
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voytec 3y ago
Sure. Forcing snap by breaking apt was significant for all users valuing efficiency and non-commercial OSs.
illiarian 3y ago
I, for one, don't want significant releases. I want releases that focus on stability and fixing bugs. You want a significant release? Make it a one-in-five-years deal.
zokier 3y ago
since 12.04 we have had unity->gnome, xorg->mir->wayland, upstart->systemd, python2->python3, iptables->nftables, addition of zfs, snap, livepatch, lxd, and dropping 32bit support. All of those were pretty major changes and definitely not just incremental. And that is just top of my head, I probably missed lot of things. On the other hand, most gnome2 era releases are pretty much a blur in my mind. What to you made those feel more significant?
- doodlesdev 3y ago
  > addition of zfs, snap, livepatch, lxd, and dropping 32bit support. Also ZFS being dropped from the installer in the new Lunar Lobster release which uses a Flutter-based installer for some reason. BTRFS is the new default if I'm not mistaken.

Does anyone else remember when Ubuntu releases felt...significant? Since 12.04 changes have felt incremental.

by als0 3y ago

Does anyone else remember when Ubuntu releases felt...significant? Since 12.04 changes have felt incremental.

Veen 3y ago

Is that a bad thing? It's quite nice to have a stable and consistent OS.

themodelplumber 3y ago
If it's even a thing at all? The incremental changes add up to a pretty huge deal, especially if using the LTS only.

Scarbutt 3y ago

What macos releases felt significant?

voytec 3y ago
For users, in a positive sense, something around Snow Leopard. For AAPL investors - every version after that is more "significant", especially after OS X was renamed to macOS and dark mode was used to keep nose-y media out of anti-privacy changes like user being informed what is "shared with Apple" instead of being asked whether anything should be "shared with Apple". Downhill after that - children are used in hideous manner by Cook to invade users' privacy, like scanning and profiling their files as a pretense of looking for child porn. I find Cook's use of child porn argument to spy on all users absolutely disgusting.
- sbuk 3y ago
  You know they did a 180 on that, right?
  - redeeman 3y ago
    there is no going back. once you expose your way of thinking about your customers, its done

rad_gruchalski 3y ago

1. It's free. 2. Boring is good. 3. Unlike Windows - significant but meh, more adverts in the product one paid for!

eastbound 3y ago
> It’s free I want to pay for my Linux. I’d write a wishlist but anyone could write another one, but I’d take any OS that convinces me to pay $300 a year. I’d pay for anything as nice as macOS (with the old control panel). I pay that price for my IDE and an OS is worth way more, open-source at that, which actually advances humanity. Linux is the VIIth wonder of the human civilization, a demonstration of human selflessness, as opposed to Windows, Linux will be here in 50 years becauE OSS is a donation of code to our children; Also no human construction has ever been so widespread across the world and even on other planets (Linux is powering the helicopter flying on Mars), of course I wish I could pay for… for a Linux that made me productive, not like Ubuntu. Also paying means it would actually receive good marketing teams.
- dmonitor 3y ago
  https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enterprise-linux/get-started https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enter... Is this not the theory behind Red Hat?
- Arnavion 3y ago
  At the OS level, the amount of money spent on developers will not be satisfied by a small number of individual users paying $300/year. At that level the funding comes from enterprise customers. You're welcome to use that $300/year to sponsor individual projects / developers.
  - eastbound 3y ago
    Will I get a proper UX in exchange?
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago

g8oz 3y ago

Some changes have been detrimental like trying to force Snaps onto people.

deleted 3y ago

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voytec 3y ago

Sure. Forcing snap by breaking apt was significant for all users valuing efficiency and non-commercial OSs.

illiarian 3y ago

I, for one, don't want significant releases. I want releases that focus on stability and fixing bugs. You want a significant release? Make it a one-in-five-years deal.

zokier 3y ago

since 12.04 we have had unity->gnome, xorg->mir->wayland, upstart->systemd, python2->python3, iptables->nftables, addition of zfs, snap, livepatch, lxd, and dropping 32bit support. All of those were pretty major changes and definitely not just incremental. And that is just top of my head, I probably missed lot of things. On the other hand, most gnome2 era releases are pretty much a blur in my mind. What to you made those feel more significant?

doodlesdev 3y ago
> addition of zfs, snap, livepatch, lxd, and dropping 32bit support. Also ZFS being dropped from the installer in the new Lunar Lobster release which uses a Flutter-based installer for some reason. BTRFS is the new default if I'm not mistaken.