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It's fine to criticize the Chinese government for not being democratic or for restricting freedom of speech, but it's not genocidal, and over the last several d

It's fine to criticize the Chinese government for not being democratic or for restricting freedom of speech, but it's not genocidal, and over the last several decades, it's been far less murderous and aggressive than the US government. China hasn't even fought a war in over 40 years. No amount of invocations of "whataboutism" will erase the fact that the US killed hundreds of thousands of people in an illegal war in Iraq, while China has basically kept to itself for decades.

himinlomax 4y ago
It's committing genocide on the Uyghur people. Of course we don't have a lot of evidenc, you'll say. Same thing useful people likely you said in the 1930s about the Holodomor. And there wasn't much evidence back then either for the same reason: communist dictatorship doing a hard lock down on journalism, and people like you to turn a blind eye to the horror.
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  It's the first "genocide" in history in which nobody was killed. The people claiming it's a "genocide" don't even claim that anyone is being killed. If you actually press them, they try to redefine the word "genocide" to mean something completely different. Words have meaning, and a word as important as "genocide" should not be thrown around in bad faith as a polemical tool.
  - himinlomax 4y ago
    > It's the first "genocide" in history in which nobody was killed Forcible displacement of populations and remvoing children from their parents and culture is considered genocide. For an example of the latter, see Putin's recent indictment by the ICC.
    - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
      Nobody in the public would consider what China is doing genocide. The word "genocide" means mass murder of an entire ethnic group. You're using the word because you know that that's how people interpret it, and you want the shock value. Exactly as I said, when pressed, you try to redefine the word to mean something completely different. By the way, even the far lesser claims you're making are incorrect. The Uyghur population in Xinjiang continues to grow, life expectancy is increasing, the language not only continues to be spoken but even continues to be the primary language used to teach Uyghur children in school. There is political repression, targeted particularly at what China regards as separatism and religious extremism, but the "genocide" accusation is pure bad faith.
      - DrThunder 4y ago
        Oh weird... then why are there thousands of articles from the west and several NATO countries calling it genocide? It meets the definition of genocide. Are you a Chinese state actor or just a brainwashed college student?
  - DrThunder 4y ago
    They're sterilizing them and putting them in camps. This is in effect killing them off for the future. Stop apologizing for China. It's weird and gross. It makes me think you have some ulterior motive here. Were you just brainwashed to support them in college or something?
DrThunder 4y ago
Huh? Have you just ignored the last decade of news? China is mostly certainly genocidal. They've put Uyghurs in concentration camps and sterilized them. The question, is why are you apologizing for them and pretending this didn't happen?

himinlomax 4y ago

It's committing genocide on the Uyghur people. Of course we don't have a lot of evidenc, you'll say. Same thing useful people likely you said in the 1930s about the Holodomor. And there wasn't much evidence back then either for the same reason: communist dictatorship doing a hard lock down on journalism, and people like you to turn a blind eye to the horror.

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
It's the first "genocide" in history in which nobody was killed. The people claiming it's a "genocide" don't even claim that anyone is being killed. If you actually press them, they try to redefine the word "genocide" to mean something completely different. Words have meaning, and a word as important as "genocide" should not be thrown around in bad faith as a polemical tool.
- himinlomax 4y ago
  > It's the first "genocide" in history in which nobody was killed Forcible displacement of populations and remvoing children from their parents and culture is considered genocide. For an example of the latter, see Putin's recent indictment by the ICC.
  - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
    Nobody in the public would consider what China is doing genocide. The word "genocide" means mass murder of an entire ethnic group. You're using the word because you know that that's how people interpret it, and you want the shock value. Exactly as I said, when pressed, you try to redefine the word to mean something completely different. By the way, even the far lesser claims you're making are incorrect. The Uyghur population in Xinjiang continues to grow, life expectancy is increasing, the language not only continues to be spoken but even continues to be the primary language used to teach Uyghur children in school. There is political repression, targeted particularly at what China regards as separatism and religious extremism, but the "genocide" accusation is pure bad faith.
    - DrThunder 4y ago
      Oh weird... then why are there thousands of articles from the west and several NATO countries calling it genocide? It meets the definition of genocide. Are you a Chinese state actor or just a brainwashed college student?
- DrThunder 4y ago
  They're sterilizing them and putting them in camps. This is in effect killing them off for the future. Stop apologizing for China. It's weird and gross. It makes me think you have some ulterior motive here. Were you just brainwashed to support them in college or something?

DrThunder 4y ago

Huh? Have you just ignored the last decade of news? China is mostly certainly genocidal. They've put Uyghurs in concentration camps and sterilized them. The question, is why are you apologizing for them and pretending this didn't happen?