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it makes complete sense if you view the world through the lens of: 1. china is incapable of innovation and invention and 2. they only know how to steal stuff an

it makes complete sense if you view the world through the lens of: 1. china is incapable of innovation and invention and 2. they only know how to steal stuff and 3. their manufacturing industry only makes cheap plastic crap.

VulgarExigency 3y ago
All 3 things which are demonstrably false, but the american empire seems determined to continue to shoot itself in the foot
- dylan604 3y ago
  All 3 things which are demonstrably false, NOW. They absolutely started by stealing things and then figuring out how to make them on their own. But that's no different than how the US built its rocket industry, or how Apple built their OS, or any number of other non-Chinese entities doing the same thing. Let's not forget the "how it started, where it is now" meme of the whole thing
  - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
    > But that's no different than how the US built its rocket industry Wasn't this from military conquest? > , or how Apple built their OS And wasn't Xerox compensated with Apple stock? But sure, reverse engineering happened a lot (Phoenix bios, IIRC).
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  China is sort of doing the same thing with its contemplation of export controls of rare earths and the like. The British empire tried to enforce no home-grown industries in certain industries among its colonies by law and by dumping or taxes. Didn't work out so well for either the UK or the colonies. This sort of forced competition through export controls may be for the best all around in the long-term.
- threeseed 3y ago
  Everyone likes to view these situations as USA versus China. But it's much more USA, EU, UK, Australia, Japan, Canada etc. There is a widespread, consensus view that China's rise must be managed whilst they continue to be a brutal and aggressive dictatorship.
  - VulgarExigency 3y ago
    The United States has invaded more countries than China while having a significantly higher incarceration rate. If anyone is brutal and aggressive, it's the US.
chemmail 3y ago
Lets not forget, USA became such a superpower with huge help of World War 2. With operation Tizzard. UK was basically cornered with risk of getting overrun by the Axis so they send all their scientific knowledge to the USA less they fall in the wrong hands. This opened up US to all the foundational knowledge it needed to win the war on be one of the few countries not totally reeling after the war to continue progress.

VulgarExigency 3y ago

All 3 things which are demonstrably false, but the american empire seems determined to continue to shoot itself in the foot

dylan604 3y ago
All 3 things which are demonstrably false, NOW. They absolutely started by stealing things and then figuring out how to make them on their own. But that's no different than how the US built its rocket industry, or how Apple built their OS, or any number of other non-Chinese entities doing the same thing. Let's not forget the "how it started, where it is now" meme of the whole thing
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  > But that's no different than how the US built its rocket industry Wasn't this from military conquest? > , or how Apple built their OS And wasn't Xerox compensated with Apple stock? But sure, reverse engineering happened a lot (Phoenix bios, IIRC).
anonymouskimmer 3y ago
China is sort of doing the same thing with its contemplation of export controls of rare earths and the like. The British empire tried to enforce no home-grown industries in certain industries among its colonies by law and by dumping or taxes. Didn't work out so well for either the UK or the colonies. This sort of forced competition through export controls may be for the best all around in the long-term.
threeseed 3y ago
Everyone likes to view these situations as USA versus China. But it's much more USA, EU, UK, Australia, Japan, Canada etc. There is a widespread, consensus view that China's rise must be managed whilst they continue to be a brutal and aggressive dictatorship.
- VulgarExigency 3y ago
  The United States has invaded more countries than China while having a significantly higher incarceration rate. If anyone is brutal and aggressive, it's the US.

chemmail 3y ago

Lets not forget, USA became such a superpower with huge help of World War 2. With operation Tizzard. UK was basically cornered with risk of getting overrun by the Axis so they send all their scientific knowledge to the USA less they fall in the wrong hands. This opened up US to all the foundational knowledge it needed to win the war on be one of the few countries not totally reeling after the war to continue progress.