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Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI&t=2920s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI&t=2920s (the cheering is actually really funny cause the

Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI&t=2920s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI&t=2920s (the cheering is actually really funny cause the launch was already a success)

kgwxd 4y ago
The cheering was annoying, it felt like it was being forced by some cringey hype man.
- vvillena 4y ago
  Part of SpaceX company culture. All their launches are cheer-heavy. Even mission control gets rowdy at times.
  - samsari 4y ago
    I remember I think it was when they first landed the booster successfully, there was a big "USA! USA! USA!" cheer from mission control. I thought that was a bit of an ugly look myself.
    - fastball 4y ago
      What's wrong with cheering the name of the country which has allowed and fostered such a project to exist?
      - tetris11 4y ago
        For the same reason you would at other rallies...
    - 93po 4y ago
      yes the USA chant was cringe as heck but otherwise their cheering is fun
    - flippinburgers 4y ago
      Having pride in ones country is a good thing.
      - misiti3780 4y ago
        On HN, if Elon is associated with that company, it's a bad thing
        wellanyway 4y ago
        On HN you can adore only Russia or China. Rest of the world is bad and unspiritual.
    - wellanyway 4y ago
      How dare people be proud of other countries than the birthplace of the Glorius Leader.
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elil17 4y ago
I get that it is a successful test based on the goals they set out, but the cheering seemed staged to me. If that was my rocket, I'd be very upset that it came so close to total success but didn't make it. Maybe everyone at SpaceX is just super emotionally mature
- AYBABTME 4y ago
  They probably just know what they're doing so they expected far less than they achieved.
- bushbaba 4y ago
  It’s smart PR. Most the public audience won’t realize how each of these steps is a huge success in of itself.
  - elil17 4y ago
    I mean sure. Companies can do PR, I don't really have a problem with it. And it was a technical success, I'm sure. I just think it seemed staged.
    - panick21_ 4y ago
      > I just think it seemed staged. Why? This is just the public viewing area from where SpaceX own employees watch from. And they worked on this thing for years, seems pretty realistic that they would be exited.
- pfannkuchen 4y ago
  If I worked on that project I would have been in tears of pride and happiness at the launch and how far it flew on the very first attempt. Assuming it is SpaceX staff being shown, I do not think the cheering is in any way staged. Lack of cheering would be strange if anything.
- throwaway4aday 4y ago
  The thing you saw blow up was a prototype, a test vehicle and the first ever flight to boot. Do you have any idea how many prototypes get thrown in the trash when you're trying to figure out a physical product and how to manufacture it? If you loved every one of them you'd give up after a week. You have to be merciless and willing to scrap everything and start over if you want to get to production.
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aziaziazi 4y ago
> clearing the tower was all we hoped All, really ? What about the flight plan ? I like the American philosophy to see the good part of experiences even when thinks don’t go as planned, but IMHO I feel like it's drifting more and more from « there’s good in failure » to « let’s call everything a success ». May be wrong, just my European point of view through the transatlantic optic fiber.
- geoffeg 4y ago
  The flight plan was the best case scenario.
- dbrueck 4y ago
  They're required to file a flight plan with the FAA or they can't launch. If the plan says they'll go all the way into orbit and they abort early, that's ok. If the plan says they'll get 100m off the ground and go no further, and they instead manage to make it all the way into orbit, they'd be in a huge amount of trouble. Given the above, what sort of flight plan would you recommend they file?
  - aziaziazi 4y ago
    « go all the way into orbit » (and down to Hawaï) seems totally fair as a flight plan. Being ok with aborting early is SpaceX decision and I totally get it. Nevertheless, « all they hope was to clear the tower » is quite hard to believe for me but this was only an opinion. Don’t get me wrong, I understand the first part of the flight was important and considered mostly a success.
    - dbrueck 4y ago
      Hmm... this seems like maybe taking things in an overly literal way. It sounds like clearing the tower was their threshold for a successful test - if they didn't get that far, it would be deemed a failure. A phrase like "all I hope for" doesn't necessarily mean "the only thing I hope for" but instead usually means "the thing I hope for most (or above all)". If someone were to say, "all I want is a good night's rest", it doesn't mean they no longer want oxygen, for example. :)
pclmulqdq 4y ago
Some Tesla events have been shown to have artificially-inserted cheers to show more enthusiasm than the crowd actually had. I wouldn't be surprised if they are doing that for SpaceX, too, but I also wouldn't be surprised if SpaceX launches had a lot of enthusiastic people in whatever crowd watched them. It was pretty telling that we didn't hear the roar of the engines on the "cheering" track, which would have happened for pretty much every recording of people actually watching the launch.
- tetris11 4y ago
  Hell, listening to the commentator describe the rocket's ascent like a giddy sports commentator really reminded me that this is just another corporate event with people paid to shape narratives of what you see. I really miss NASA launches in this respect. Less hyped, but you had the solemn sense that something special was happening without anyone yammering in your ear with nonsense patter.
  - throwaway4aday 4y ago
    and then everyone lost interest in NASA moon missions and we scrapped the program early. A little bit of hype goes a long way.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Launch coverage was started and supported internally by SpaceX engineers and all the commentators are engineers who work on the rockets themselves. But I guess they are all paid corporate shills, not people who have spend many years working hard on a project and are exited about it. > I really miss NASA launches Those still exists ... Not everything has to be the same. Each company has its own spin on its launch coverage and its own company culture.

Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI&t=2920s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1wcilQ58hI&t=2920s (the cheering is actually really funny cause the launch was already a success)

kgwxd 4y ago

The cheering was annoying, it felt like it was being forced by some cringey hype man.

vvillena 4y ago
Part of SpaceX company culture. All their launches are cheer-heavy. Even mission control gets rowdy at times.
- samsari 4y ago
  I remember I think it was when they first landed the booster successfully, there was a big "USA! USA! USA!" cheer from mission control. I thought that was a bit of an ugly look myself.
  - fastball 4y ago
    What's wrong with cheering the name of the country which has allowed and fostered such a project to exist?
    - tetris11 4y ago
      For the same reason you would at other rallies...
  - 93po 4y ago
    yes the USA chant was cringe as heck but otherwise their cheering is fun
  - flippinburgers 4y ago
    Having pride in ones country is a good thing.
    - misiti3780 4y ago
      On HN, if Elon is associated with that company, it's a bad thing
      - wellanyway 4y ago
        On HN you can adore only Russia or China. Rest of the world is bad and unspiritual.
  - wellanyway 4y ago
    How dare people be proud of other countries than the birthplace of the Glorius Leader.
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elil17 4y ago

I get that it is a successful test based on the goals they set out, but the cheering seemed staged to me. If that was my rocket, I'd be very upset that it came so close to total success but didn't make it. Maybe everyone at SpaceX is just super emotionally mature

AYBABTME 4y ago
They probably just know what they're doing so they expected far less than they achieved.
bushbaba 4y ago
It’s smart PR. Most the public audience won’t realize how each of these steps is a huge success in of itself.
- elil17 4y ago
  I mean sure. Companies can do PR, I don't really have a problem with it. And it was a technical success, I'm sure. I just think it seemed staged.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    > I just think it seemed staged. Why? This is just the public viewing area from where SpaceX own employees watch from. And they worked on this thing for years, seems pretty realistic that they would be exited.
pfannkuchen 4y ago
If I worked on that project I would have been in tears of pride and happiness at the launch and how far it flew on the very first attempt. Assuming it is SpaceX staff being shown, I do not think the cheering is in any way staged. Lack of cheering would be strange if anything.
throwaway4aday 4y ago
The thing you saw blow up was a prototype, a test vehicle and the first ever flight to boot. Do you have any idea how many prototypes get thrown in the trash when you're trying to figure out a physical product and how to manufacture it? If you loved every one of them you'd give up after a week. You have to be merciless and willing to scrap everything and start over if you want to get to production.

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aziaziazi 4y ago

> clearing the tower was all we hoped All, really ? What about the flight plan ? I like the American philosophy to see the good part of experiences even when thinks don’t go as planned, but IMHO I feel like it's drifting more and more from « there’s good in failure » to « let’s call everything a success ». May be wrong, just my European point of view through the transatlantic optic fiber.

geoffeg 4y ago
The flight plan was the best case scenario.
dbrueck 4y ago
They're required to file a flight plan with the FAA or they can't launch. If the plan says they'll go all the way into orbit and they abort early, that's ok. If the plan says they'll get 100m off the ground and go no further, and they instead manage to make it all the way into orbit, they'd be in a huge amount of trouble. Given the above, what sort of flight plan would you recommend they file?
- aziaziazi 4y ago
  « go all the way into orbit » (and down to Hawaï) seems totally fair as a flight plan. Being ok with aborting early is SpaceX decision and I totally get it. Nevertheless, « all they hope was to clear the tower » is quite hard to believe for me but this was only an opinion. Don’t get me wrong, I understand the first part of the flight was important and considered mostly a success.
  - dbrueck 4y ago
    Hmm... this seems like maybe taking things in an overly literal way. It sounds like clearing the tower was their threshold for a successful test - if they didn't get that far, it would be deemed a failure. A phrase like "all I hope for" doesn't necessarily mean "the only thing I hope for" but instead usually means "the thing I hope for most (or above all)". If someone were to say, "all I want is a good night's rest", it doesn't mean they no longer want oxygen, for example. :)

pclmulqdq 4y ago

Some Tesla events have been shown to have artificially-inserted cheers to show more enthusiasm than the crowd actually had. I wouldn't be surprised if they are doing that for SpaceX, too, but I also wouldn't be surprised if SpaceX launches had a lot of enthusiastic people in whatever crowd watched them. It was pretty telling that we didn't hear the roar of the engines on the "cheering" track, which would have happened for pretty much every recording of people actually watching the launch.

tetris11 4y ago
Hell, listening to the commentator describe the rocket's ascent like a giddy sports commentator really reminded me that this is just another corporate event with people paid to shape narratives of what you see. I really miss NASA launches in this respect. Less hyped, but you had the solemn sense that something special was happening without anyone yammering in your ear with nonsense patter.
- throwaway4aday 4y ago
  and then everyone lost interest in NASA moon missions and we scrapped the program early. A little bit of hype goes a long way.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Launch coverage was started and supported internally by SpaceX engineers and all the commentators are engineers who work on the rockets themselves. But I guess they are all paid corporate shills, not people who have spend many years working hard on a project and are exited about it. > I really miss NASA launches Those still exists ... Not everything has to be the same. Each company has its own spin on its launch coverage and its own company culture.