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Evidence-free claim. Huawei even let the UK secret service inspect Huawei networking gear, e.g. [1, 2, 3]. They only found badly written software, which is har

Evidence-free claim. Huawei even let the UK secret service inspect Huawei networking gear, e.g. [1, 2, 3]. They only found badly written software, which is hardly unusual. A much more likely explanation for the US sanction on Huawei is simply anti-competitive measures. Huawei had simply outcompeted the western telecom gear providers, and they complained to their governments to ban the superior competition. See also TikTok vs Instagram ... [1] https://www.wired.co.uk/article/huawei-gchq-security-evaluation-uk https://www.wired.co.uk/article/huawei-gchq-security-evaluat... [2] https://www.cybersecurityintelligence.com/blog/british-spies-find-big-software-problems-with-huawei-5241.html https://www.cybersecurityintelligence.com/blog/british-spies... [3] https://news.sky.com/story/gchq-discovered-nationally-significant-vulnerability-in-huawei-equipment-12086688 https://news.sky.com/story/gchq-discovered-nationally-signif...

tivert 3y ago
> Huawei even let the UK secret service inspect Huawei networking gear, e.g. [1, 2, 3]. They only found badly written software, which is hardly unusual. Which, by the way, is the perfect cover for a backdoor, because it's deniable. Furthermore, even if you're looking for a back door, there's no guarantee you were actually looking in the right place (for an example, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)) > A much more likely explanation for the US sanction on Huawei is simply anti-competitive measures. No, it's 100% geopolitical maneuvering. IIRC, US companies don't even sell competing equipment in many of the relevant areas. You don't need "evidence" of a backdoor in order to distrust something.
- mytailorisrich 3y ago
  'If you want to kill your dog, accuse him of having rabies.' (French proverb)
  - tivert 3y ago
    "Don't let the fox guard the henhouse." (English proverb) Since we're trading proverbs.
    - kneebonian 3y ago
      "They pretend to pay us we pretend to work" (Soviet proverb)
      - tivert 3y ago
        That's is a proverb, just not a very apropos one.
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  - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
    Tell me how this doesn't apply to China banning US companies.
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
Your claim "they complained to their governments to ban the superior competition" is evidence free. Hilarious that you claim that Huawei is superior tech and yet they have horrible code in the same comment. Btw, US did find backdoors. https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/us-finds-huawei-has-backdoor-access-to-mobile-networks-globally-report-says/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/us-finds-huawei-has-backdoo... 1. So China banning Google, FB, Instagaram and others is China banning superior tech? Got it. 2. China even bans US movies routinely. E.g, Top Gun Maverick was banned due to a tiny Taiwan patch but funnily when the Chinese copycat couldn't live up to it, they did a self ban on it. https://gamerant.com/top-gun-maverick-ripoff-china-canceled-explained/ https://gamerant.com/top-gun-maverick-ripoff-china-canceled-...
- mafribe 3y ago
  Huawei's lead in 5G is well-documented, e.g. [1]. I left the 5G consultancy space in about 2021, but at the time Huawei was the only company that managed to put a CPU and a 5G modem on a single chip. As far as I am aware Qualcomm, Apple, Samsung and MediaTek can also do this in 2023, but came later. I'm already not sure if Intel can do this as of April 2023. > Huawei is superior tech and yet they have horrible code What's hilarious about this? Most large scale software has terrible parts. I worked a lot with Cisco gear after graduating from university. Our team found lots of security vulnerabilities. Still Cisco routers were very good, in comparison with what was on the market. Huawei's breakthrough was largely in signal processing. > US did find backdoors. The article states that those Huawei 'backdoors' are, from your article: "backdoors intended for law enforcement". Those are a legal requirement. You cannot get telecom equipment certified in the US and EU if they don't have those backdoors. Your points (1, 2) have nothing to do with what I have written, why do you side-track the conversation? [1] https://www.wired.com/story/huawei-5g-polar-codes-data-breakthrough/ https://www.wired.com/story/huawei-5g-polar-codes-data-break...
  - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
    > Huawei's lead in 5G is well-documented Well documented in Wired, lol! I would settle for just one peer-reviewed article in a reputed journal. Even written by Huawei authors. > backdoors intended for law enforcement When did Chinese law become global law? > Your points (1, 2) have nothing to do with what I have written, why do you side-track the conversation? Talking of sidetracking, didn't you mention Instagram vs TikTok? Lol. Anyways, just like your Instagram vs TikTok comment, my comments are relevant. They are about companies banning other companies with superior tech. Claims of sidetracking are usually surfaced when there is no viable defense. Not to mention, Huawei was caught with its pants down stealing code from Cisco. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/13/chinese-company-huaweis-silicon-valley-outpost-allegedly-stole-trade-secrets-from-cisco/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/13/chinese-company-huawe... https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10485560675556000 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10485560675556000 https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-correcting-the-record https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-c...

tivert 3y ago

> Huawei even let the UK secret service inspect Huawei networking gear, e.g. [1, 2, 3]. They only found badly written software, which is hardly unusual. Which, by the way, is the perfect cover for a backdoor, because it's deniable. Furthermore, even if you're looking for a back door, there's no guarantee you were actually looking in the right place (for an example, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)) > A much more likely explanation for the US sanction on Huawei is simply anti-competitive measures. No, it's 100% geopolitical maneuvering. IIRC, US companies don't even sell competing equipment in many of the relevant areas. You don't need "evidence" of a backdoor in order to distrust something.

mytailorisrich 3y ago
'If you want to kill your dog, accuse him of having rabies.' (French proverb)
- tivert 3y ago
  "Don't let the fox guard the henhouse." (English proverb) Since we're trading proverbs.
  - kneebonian 3y ago
    "They pretend to pay us we pretend to work" (Soviet proverb)
    - tivert 3y ago
      That's is a proverb, just not a very apropos one.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  Tell me how this doesn't apply to China banning US companies.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

Your claim "they complained to their governments to ban the superior competition" is evidence free. Hilarious that you claim that Huawei is superior tech and yet they have horrible code in the same comment. Btw, US did find backdoors. https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/us-finds-huawei-has-backdoor-access-to-mobile-networks-globally-report-says/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/us-finds-huawei-has-backdoo... 1. So China banning Google, FB, Instagaram and others is China banning superior tech? Got it. 2. China even bans US movies routinely. E.g, Top Gun Maverick was banned due to a tiny Taiwan patch but funnily when the Chinese copycat couldn't live up to it, they did a self ban on it. https://gamerant.com/top-gun-maverick-ripoff-china-canceled-explained/ https://gamerant.com/top-gun-maverick-ripoff-china-canceled-...

mafribe 3y ago
Huawei's lead in 5G is well-documented, e.g. [1]. I left the 5G consultancy space in about 2021, but at the time Huawei was the only company that managed to put a CPU and a 5G modem on a single chip. As far as I am aware Qualcomm, Apple, Samsung and MediaTek can also do this in 2023, but came later. I'm already not sure if Intel can do this as of April 2023. > Huawei is superior tech and yet they have horrible code What's hilarious about this? Most large scale software has terrible parts. I worked a lot with Cisco gear after graduating from university. Our team found lots of security vulnerabilities. Still Cisco routers were very good, in comparison with what was on the market. Huawei's breakthrough was largely in signal processing. > US did find backdoors. The article states that those Huawei 'backdoors' are, from your article: "backdoors intended for law enforcement". Those are a legal requirement. You cannot get telecom equipment certified in the US and EU if they don't have those backdoors. Your points (1, 2) have nothing to do with what I have written, why do you side-track the conversation? [1] https://www.wired.com/story/huawei-5g-polar-codes-data-breakthrough/ https://www.wired.com/story/huawei-5g-polar-codes-data-break...
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  > Huawei's lead in 5G is well-documented Well documented in Wired, lol! I would settle for just one peer-reviewed article in a reputed journal. Even written by Huawei authors. > backdoors intended for law enforcement When did Chinese law become global law? > Your points (1, 2) have nothing to do with what I have written, why do you side-track the conversation? Talking of sidetracking, didn't you mention Instagram vs TikTok? Lol. Anyways, just like your Instagram vs TikTok comment, my comments are relevant. They are about companies banning other companies with superior tech. Claims of sidetracking are usually surfaced when there is no viable defense. Not to mention, Huawei was caught with its pants down stealing code from Cisco. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/13/chinese-company-huaweis-silicon-valley-outpost-allegedly-stole-trade-secrets-from-cisco/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/13/chinese-company-huawe... https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10485560675556000 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10485560675556000 https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-correcting-the-record https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-c...