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No it's not. We where talking about the ICE engines for the average Joe car which are under media and regulatory attack. The 15 ships that pollute as much as al

No it's not. We where talking about the ICE engines for the average Joe car which are under media and regulatory attack. The 15 ships that pollute as much as all the cars are not under scrutiny. They could make them less polluting, but that would cut into the profits. The argument is no way similar to meat and supermarkets, because no consumer demands that his goods be shipped with two stroke diesel engines that burn what is basically crude oil.

AlecSchueler 3y ago
I see what you're saying. To me the conversation was more about "should individual consumers worry about their carbon impact while there are much bigger idustrial polluters?" As I understood it regulating the ships is made difficult because they stay in international waters and off-load their cargoes onto small ships for the last leg of the deliveries. The companies maximise their profits because that's what companies do. If you have ideas about how to regulate against their pollution I'd (genuinely) be very glad to hear them. With the meat thing, I basically look at purchasing as voting. If you buy goods shipped from around the world and you understand what that means from a pollution perspective then you're effectively voting for it to continue happening. Personally I try to consider these things when making decisions. Not everyone is in the position to have the time or opportunity to look for alternatives and that's fine, but personally I find having that luxury and not taking it to be morally questionable.
- myshpa 3y ago
  > If you have ideas about how to regulate against their pollution I'd (genuinely) be very glad to hear them Trains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_Strait_crossing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_Strait_crossing > If you buy goods shipped from around the world and you understand what that means from a pollution perspective "You want to reduce the carbon footprint of your food? Focus on what you eat, not whether your food is local ... Transport is a small contributor to emissions. For most food products, it accounts for less than 10%, and it’s much smaller for the largest GHG emitters. In beef from beef herds, it’s 0.5%. Very little food is air-freighted; it accounts for only 0.16% of food miles. Many of the foods people assume to come by air are actually transported by boat – avocados and almonds are prime examples. Shipping one kilogram of avocados from Mexico to the United Kingdom ... is only around 8% of avocados’ total footprint. Even when shipped at great distances, its emissions are much less than locally-produced animal products." https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    Apologies, I meant the last bit in a broader sense than only food products. But the points you're making are fair. Indeed the pollution involved in meat consumption is a big reason why I don't eat meat. There are many contributing aspects to the carbon morality of the products we buy and I try to be mindful of them where possible.
- trabant00 3y ago
  Companies maximize profits and I maximize my life quality. I am not willing to triple my commute time, have health issues because I live in a poorly heated and lighted house, and extemely expensive or unhealthy diet (you can't have both with veganism). And all that for a dop in the ocean of environmental impact. Not beigh wasteful is all I can do and I can't even afford to be wasteful so that's that.

AlecSchueler 3y ago

I see what you're saying. To me the conversation was more about "should individual consumers worry about their carbon impact while there are much bigger idustrial polluters?" As I understood it regulating the ships is made difficult because they stay in international waters and off-load their cargoes onto small ships for the last leg of the deliveries. The companies maximise their profits because that's what companies do. If you have ideas about how to regulate against their pollution I'd (genuinely) be very glad to hear them. With the meat thing, I basically look at purchasing as voting. If you buy goods shipped from around the world and you understand what that means from a pollution perspective then you're effectively voting for it to continue happening. Personally I try to consider these things when making decisions. Not everyone is in the position to have the time or opportunity to look for alternatives and that's fine, but personally I find having that luxury and not taking it to be morally questionable.

myshpa 3y ago
> If you have ideas about how to regulate against their pollution I'd (genuinely) be very glad to hear them Trains. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_Strait_crossing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_Strait_crossing > If you buy goods shipped from around the world and you understand what that means from a pollution perspective "You want to reduce the carbon footprint of your food? Focus on what you eat, not whether your food is local ... Transport is a small contributor to emissions. For most food products, it accounts for less than 10%, and it’s much smaller for the largest GHG emitters. In beef from beef herds, it’s 0.5%. Very little food is air-freighted; it accounts for only 0.16% of food miles. Many of the foods people assume to come by air are actually transported by boat – avocados and almonds are prime examples. Shipping one kilogram of avocados from Mexico to the United Kingdom ... is only around 8% of avocados’ total footprint. Even when shipped at great distances, its emissions are much less than locally-produced animal products." https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  Apologies, I meant the last bit in a broader sense than only food products. But the points you're making are fair. Indeed the pollution involved in meat consumption is a big reason why I don't eat meat. There are many contributing aspects to the carbon morality of the products we buy and I try to be mindful of them where possible.
trabant00 3y ago
Companies maximize profits and I maximize my life quality. I am not willing to triple my commute time, have health issues because I live in a poorly heated and lighted house, and extemely expensive or unhealthy diet (you can't have both with veganism). And all that for a dop in the ocean of environmental impact. Not beigh wasteful is all I can do and I can't even afford to be wasteful so that's that.