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Uhhhhh apples to oranges. The level of functionality on behalf of the government is completely different (being that Huawei is an arm of the PRC) making your c

Uhhhhh apples to oranges. The level of functionality on behalf of the government is completely different (being that Huawei is an arm of the PRC) making your comparison off base. Documented intel management engine…

2Gkashmiri 4y ago
Last I know, there is no tangible evidence linking documented backdoors in huawei network equipment. If my memory serves me right, huawei was ahead of others in 5G and american and other companies saw that as a threat and suddenly huawei equipment had unknown backdoors and suspicions. I would be happy to be proved wrong but how does being funded or managed or owned by PRC influence anything unless there are actual backdoors? Just because huawei is funded by PRC does that make them guilty?
- edgyquant 4y ago
  When national security is at stake you can’t trust your literal greatest rival to build your infrastructure. I really don’t think people making arguments like this are being honest, they just can’t be.
2Gkashmiri 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35639276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35639276 This Hn poster wrote this. So CIA is selling backdoored equipment which is fine for you?
- boringg 4y ago
  Everything on that thread you linked has no credible sources.
- xxpor 4y ago
  Yeah actually, I'd rather have my government doing the backdooring than a foreign one. My interests are generally more aligned with the US government's than China's.
  - 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
    cool. another question. What about someone in EU or africa or india. who should in your opinion spy on them? usa or china?
    - tough 4y ago
      Ideally both to be safe... Maybe just add a third neutral participant to have three spying forces for no breaks.
    - xxpor 4y ago
      No one ideally, but in the real world someone is going to be. It's considered basically accepted by governments, just don't get caught. That being said, it's interesting that a lot of the China vs US heat started ramping up right when China rounded up a bunch of CIA assets in the country. It's arguable from a game theory perspective that everyone's better off with a bunch of spying so everyone knows what's really going on in a country. Transparency is usually considered good in other areas. I can't see why that wouldn't apply here. It's also worth pointing out that by and large, it's very likely the important programs aren't spying on day to day citizens, especially as the war on terror has faded. They're just not that important, and it's riskier. It's economic, military, and political espionage.

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

Last I know, there is no tangible evidence linking documented backdoors in huawei network equipment. If my memory serves me right, huawei was ahead of others in 5G and american and other companies saw that as a threat and suddenly huawei equipment had unknown backdoors and suspicions. I would be happy to be proved wrong but how does being funded or managed or owned by PRC influence anything unless there are actual backdoors? Just because huawei is funded by PRC does that make them guilty?

edgyquant 4y ago
When national security is at stake you can’t trust your literal greatest rival to build your infrastructure. I really don’t think people making arguments like this are being honest, they just can’t be.

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35639276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35639276 This Hn poster wrote this. So CIA is selling backdoored equipment which is fine for you?

boringg 4y ago
Everything on that thread you linked has no credible sources.
xxpor 4y ago
Yeah actually, I'd rather have my government doing the backdooring than a foreign one. My interests are generally more aligned with the US government's than China's.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y ago
  cool. another question. What about someone in EU or africa or india. who should in your opinion spy on them? usa or china?
  - tough 4y ago
    Ideally both to be safe... Maybe just add a third neutral participant to have three spying forces for no breaks.
  - xxpor 4y ago
    No one ideally, but in the real world someone is going to be. It's considered basically accepted by governments, just don't get caught. That being said, it's interesting that a lot of the China vs US heat started ramping up right when China rounded up a bunch of CIA assets in the country. It's arguable from a game theory perspective that everyone's better off with a bunch of spying so everyone knows what's really going on in a country. Transparency is usually considered good in other areas. I can't see why that wouldn't apply here. It's also worth pointing out that by and large, it's very likely the important programs aren't spying on day to day citizens, especially as the war on terror has faded. They're just not that important, and it's riskier. It's economic, military, and political espionage.