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I think we live in an increasingly neo-victorian age. It's not just sex. It has become toxic to express a wide range of opinions. For example, the systematic de

I think we live in an increasingly neo-victorian age. It's not just sex. It has become toxic to express a wide range of opinions. For example, the systematic deplatforming of conservatives. (I am a liberal, and my need to state that to be taken seriously is further evidence of all this.)

numpad0 3y ago
Agreed. I can also agree to some degree to couple other comments that people are more sexually open than ever, but the "accepted" modes and diversity of thoughts and opinions are reducing quite uncomfortably fast.
dahwolf 3y ago
Your downvotes prove your point.
adamsmith143 3y ago
Genuine question, what does deplatforming conservatives have to do with Victorianism?
- dougmwne 3y ago
  It's a narrowing of the Overton window, not any one specific topic being accepted in public discourse.
  - adamsmith143 3y ago
    Despite the fact that the Victorian era was quite conservative? So your point doesn't make a lot of sense to me. We're moving to a neo-victorian(more conservative/prude) era that is also shutting down Conservative speech?
    - local_crmdgeon 3y ago
      It's not about the content, it's about the restrictions to a dogma
    - dougmwne 3y ago
      Yes, it has absolutely nothing to do with the exact ideology and everything to do with a narrowing of what is publicly acceptable. For an example, compare any hollywood comedy from 10 years ago to one from today. So it's neo-victorian in the sense that we have become quite prudish about what we allow in public, but nothing to do with exactly what we allow, which of course, would have made the actual Victorians blush.
LadyCailin 3y ago
Personally, I think it’s fine for people whose only goal is to be assholes to others or to spread disinformation to be deplatformed by private services. If that happens to primarily center around conservatives, then that sounds like conservatives should do some soul searching.
- cmilton 3y ago
  Who\What is deciding who these "people whose only goal is to be assholes to others or to spread disinformation" are?
  - amanaplanacanal 3y ago
    Platform owners, I guess.
JoshTriplett 3y ago
People aren't systematically deplatforming conservatives. People are systematically deplatforming hate. That that happens to affect one political party more than others is a condemnation of that party, not of the practice of deplatforming hate. Post all the conservative political opinions you want. As long as you stay away from posting hate, personal attacks, and similar, you're not going to lose your Twitter account
- dokem 3y ago
  Replace 'hate' with "things I don't like" and you'll see why your comment provides no insight. Hate is subjective and political.
  - JoshTriplett 3y ago
    Some things are objectively hateful. "This class of people should not have rights" is objectively hateful. "This class of people is subhuman and we'd be better off if they died" is objectively hateful. "This event that killed dozens of people was good, actually" is objectively hateful. If we can't agree on things like those then we have no common ground. If we can agree on those then it's just a question of where the line is, rather than whether a line exists. Just because it isn't a perfectly bright dividing line doesn't mean it's entirely subjective. It is also to the benefit of a side regularly spewing hate to also argue that it's subjective. (And to be clear, none of those things short of imminent threats should ever be considered punishable by a government; that has far more negative outcomes than positive ones. But they absolutely should have consequences by individuals and groups who choose not to associate with such things.)
- jollynog 3y ago
  The trick is that "hate" can be defined to be whatever opinions one desires to censor.
- bigDinosaur 3y ago
  Is this a satirical comment? One of the big issues is how incredibly loosely defined 'hate' has come to be by a significant number of people. This is not without precedent in other areas, look at the differences in what is considered obscene in say, Sweden, vs the US to see how loosely defined such concepts can be and how dangerous it is to say things like 'as long as you stay away from [loosely defined and extremely political topic] you'll be fine'.

numpad0 3y ago

Agreed. I can also agree to some degree to couple other comments that people are more sexually open than ever, but the "accepted" modes and diversity of thoughts and opinions are reducing quite uncomfortably fast.

dahwolf 3y ago

Your downvotes prove your point.

adamsmith143 3y ago

Genuine question, what does deplatforming conservatives have to do with Victorianism?

dougmwne 3y ago
It's a narrowing of the Overton window, not any one specific topic being accepted in public discourse.
- adamsmith143 3y ago
  Despite the fact that the Victorian era was quite conservative? So your point doesn't make a lot of sense to me. We're moving to a neo-victorian(more conservative/prude) era that is also shutting down Conservative speech?
  - local_crmdgeon 3y ago
    It's not about the content, it's about the restrictions to a dogma
  - dougmwne 3y ago
    Yes, it has absolutely nothing to do with the exact ideology and everything to do with a narrowing of what is publicly acceptable. For an example, compare any hollywood comedy from 10 years ago to one from today. So it's neo-victorian in the sense that we have become quite prudish about what we allow in public, but nothing to do with exactly what we allow, which of course, would have made the actual Victorians blush.

LadyCailin 3y ago

Personally, I think it’s fine for people whose only goal is to be assholes to others or to spread disinformation to be deplatformed by private services. If that happens to primarily center around conservatives, then that sounds like conservatives should do some soul searching.

cmilton 3y ago
Who\What is deciding who these "people whose only goal is to be assholes to others or to spread disinformation" are?
- amanaplanacanal 3y ago
  Platform owners, I guess.

JoshTriplett 3y ago

People aren't systematically deplatforming conservatives. People are systematically deplatforming hate. That that happens to affect one political party more than others is a condemnation of that party, not of the practice of deplatforming hate. Post all the conservative political opinions you want. As long as you stay away from posting hate, personal attacks, and similar, you're not going to lose your Twitter account

dokem 3y ago
Replace 'hate' with "things I don't like" and you'll see why your comment provides no insight. Hate is subjective and political.
- JoshTriplett 3y ago
  Some things are objectively hateful. "This class of people should not have rights" is objectively hateful. "This class of people is subhuman and we'd be better off if they died" is objectively hateful. "This event that killed dozens of people was good, actually" is objectively hateful. If we can't agree on things like those then we have no common ground. If we can agree on those then it's just a question of where the line is, rather than whether a line exists. Just because it isn't a perfectly bright dividing line doesn't mean it's entirely subjective. It is also to the benefit of a side regularly spewing hate to also argue that it's subjective. (And to be clear, none of those things short of imminent threats should ever be considered punishable by a government; that has far more negative outcomes than positive ones. But they absolutely should have consequences by individuals and groups who choose not to associate with such things.)
jollynog 3y ago
The trick is that "hate" can be defined to be whatever opinions one desires to censor.
bigDinosaur 3y ago
Is this a satirical comment? One of the big issues is how incredibly loosely defined 'hate' has come to be by a significant number of people. This is not without precedent in other areas, look at the differences in what is considered obscene in say, Sweden, vs the US to see how loosely defined such concepts can be and how dangerous it is to say things like 'as long as you stay away from [loosely defined and extremely political topic] you'll be fine'.