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I thought it might be haram to mix cheese and meat, but apparently that’s just a kosher restriction. Philly Cheesesteaks are perfectly halal.

TheAdamist 3y ago
Salmon cheesesteaks are a thing in phillys african american and Muslim neighborhoods.
inportb 3y ago
You could probably make it kosher by using dairy-free "American slices."
- illirik 3y ago
  Most "American Slices" do contain dairy, as it is a USDA requirement for the classification of "pasteurized process cheese product" that there is at least some cheese in the product. I have made some exceptional vegan cheesesteaks with marinated seitan and pumpkin puree + nutritional yeast "cheese" sauce. The key is the bread - if you can head to a local bakery for a proper fresh hoagie roll, the rest will follow. I personally like grilled onions and Bavarian mustard on mine. Fantastic sandwich - just don't put lettuce and tomato on yours!
  - maxerickson 3y ago
    A more charitable interpretation is that the quotes are around "American slices" because the dairy free ones aren't cheese. Dairy free imitations are well available.
  - InCityDreams 3y ago
    >that there is at least some cheese in the product. Good start for cheese.
  - throwaway2037 3y ago
    This: pumpkin puree + nutritional yeast "cheese" sauce Do you have a recipe to share? That sounds very interesting!
- tedunangst 3y ago
  https://www.kosher.com/article/can-i-eat-plant-based-cheese-on-a-burger-or-steak-1246 https://www.kosher.com/article/can-i-eat-plant-based-cheese-...
pyuser583 3y ago
“Kosher” rules have lots of “no mixing” rules that don’t apply to Islam. Ultra Orthodox Jews even follow the rules about not mixing fabrics in clothes. There are even “kosher” fabrics.
- LegitShady 3y ago
  I mean its in deuteronomy 22:11 explicitly. Orthodox jews are the ones who live by it, but you'd think anyone who believed in the bible would follow outright restrictions like that. This in contrast to not mixing milk and meat, which is an expansion of "do not cook a kid in its mother's milk" from deuteronomy 14:21. If you look at the two it would seem wearing linen and wool together is much worse than mixing milk and meat. why is baffling, but thats religion.
  - riffic 3y ago
    it's certainly a fashion crime
  - antibasilisk 3y ago
    >why is baffling, but thats religion. For any given moral position you can keep asking why forever and never come to a satisfying conclusion unless you actually define what a moral is. Is it just an aesthetic judgement on behavior? Is it a product of the ability to evoke pleasure & pain? Is it simply whatever you desire? Does the term even have any meaning at all?
    - codersfocus 3y ago
      > define what a moral is Morality is a composite of several concepts. (A) You start with pain and pleasure -- the definitions I use for those words cover every living thing that tries to achieve homeostasis, with pleasure being moving towards and pain as moving against. This covers pretty much every living thing, including microbes, plants etc. (B) Sufficiently social creatures create a meta organism (the society.) Virtue and vice are the pleasure and pain of this meta organism, respectively. As an aside, this can clash with (A). Consider the soldier jumping on a grenade to protect comrades (painful-virtuous), or the sexual deviant (pleasurable-vice.) As virtue and vice are a function of a given society at a given time, that is why many say morality is relativistic. (C) Sufficiently intelligent creatures have the ability to mirror neurons; empathy in other words. Apply this ability to (A) to create the rules for the nodes that represent (B.)

TheAdamist 3y ago

Salmon cheesesteaks are a thing in phillys african american and Muslim neighborhoods.

inportb 3y ago

You could probably make it kosher by using dairy-free "American slices."

illirik 3y ago
Most "American Slices" do contain dairy, as it is a USDA requirement for the classification of "pasteurized process cheese product" that there is at least some cheese in the product. I have made some exceptional vegan cheesesteaks with marinated seitan and pumpkin puree + nutritional yeast "cheese" sauce. The key is the bread - if you can head to a local bakery for a proper fresh hoagie roll, the rest will follow. I personally like grilled onions and Bavarian mustard on mine. Fantastic sandwich - just don't put lettuce and tomato on yours!
- maxerickson 3y ago
  A more charitable interpretation is that the quotes are around "American slices" because the dairy free ones aren't cheese. Dairy free imitations are well available.
- InCityDreams 3y ago
  >that there is at least some cheese in the product. Good start for cheese.
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  This: pumpkin puree + nutritional yeast "cheese" sauce Do you have a recipe to share? That sounds very interesting!
tedunangst 3y ago
https://www.kosher.com/article/can-i-eat-plant-based-cheese-on-a-burger-or-steak-1246 https://www.kosher.com/article/can-i-eat-plant-based-cheese-...

pyuser583 3y ago

“Kosher” rules have lots of “no mixing” rules that don’t apply to Islam. Ultra Orthodox Jews even follow the rules about not mixing fabrics in clothes. There are even “kosher” fabrics.

LegitShady 3y ago
I mean its in deuteronomy 22:11 explicitly. Orthodox jews are the ones who live by it, but you'd think anyone who believed in the bible would follow outright restrictions like that. This in contrast to not mixing milk and meat, which is an expansion of "do not cook a kid in its mother's milk" from deuteronomy 14:21. If you look at the two it would seem wearing linen and wool together is much worse than mixing milk and meat. why is baffling, but thats religion.
- riffic 3y ago
  it's certainly a fashion crime
- antibasilisk 3y ago
  >why is baffling, but thats religion. For any given moral position you can keep asking why forever and never come to a satisfying conclusion unless you actually define what a moral is. Is it just an aesthetic judgement on behavior? Is it a product of the ability to evoke pleasure & pain? Is it simply whatever you desire? Does the term even have any meaning at all?
  - codersfocus 3y ago
    > define what a moral is Morality is a composite of several concepts. (A) You start with pain and pleasure -- the definitions I use for those words cover every living thing that tries to achieve homeostasis, with pleasure being moving towards and pain as moving against. This covers pretty much every living thing, including microbes, plants etc. (B) Sufficiently social creatures create a meta organism (the society.) Virtue and vice are the pleasure and pain of this meta organism, respectively. As an aside, this can clash with (A). Consider the soldier jumping on a grenade to protect comrades (painful-virtuous), or the sexual deviant (pleasurable-vice.) As virtue and vice are a function of a given society at a given time, that is why many say morality is relativistic. (C) Sufficiently intelligent creatures have the ability to mirror neurons; empathy in other words. Apply this ability to (A) to create the rules for the nodes that represent (B.)