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Two things need to happen before I would even begin to consider a ban on E2EE: 1. Show that the problem of child abuse on social networks is wildly out of cont
by waselighis 4y ago
Two things need to happen before I would even begin to consider a ban on E2EE:
1. Show that the problem of child abuse on social networks is wildly out of control. I hear about it all the time, but what are the numbers? Where is the data?
2. Make a concrete argument explaining why there are no viable alternatives. What are the proposed alternatives, and why aren't they viable? All I ever hear is "omg we're going dark all hope is lost".
The article only includes one example:
> The Virtual Global Taskforce statement cited the case of UK-based sex offender David Wilson ... Wilson used Facebook "to contact thousands of children, grooming hundreds of victims using fake online profiles" ... law enforcement were able to access the evidence contained within over 250,000 messages through Facebook.
Thousands of children. A quarter million messages. I find it hard to believe that E2EE would have hidden all this activity. Surely Meta could monitor for suspicious activity on their platform and investigate any red flags. Surely, of the thousands of children contacted by this person, some of those children would have reported it, providing law enforcement with potentially thousands of unencrypted messages?
Honey pots. Law enforcement can setup fake profiles of children. I've seen deepfakes that make adults look and sound like children. Then just sit and wait for one of these sick f**s to contact you. Voila, you receive all the messages unencrypted because you're one of the "end"s in END to END encryption.
At the end of the day, I feel they haven't made a compelling argument against E2EE encryption. And, frankly, I just don't trust our institutions - our governments, corporations, and even non-profits - have proven again and again they can't be trusted. Anybody remember when the FBI tried to force Apple to decrypt an iPhone on some b***s**t excuse, and later it turned out the FBI really just wanted a general backdoor into ALL iPhones? Yeah, those institutions.
- throwaway67743 4y ago> 1. Show that the problem of child abuse on social networks is wildly out of control. I hear about it all the time, but what are the numbers? Where is the data? The same people that say it's rampant on social media are the same people that also still say the majority know their abuser (ie family members etc) - it's all narrative, no substance. Also if it was as widespread as they claim, the statistical probability would mean that almost everyone knows one or more victims, that isn't the case either...
- LinuxBender 4y agoI know a few victims. Technology was never even part of the equation. The internet didn't even exist at least as we know it today. In every case that I know of it was coaches and family members. Even banning the internet entirely would not have prevented any of those cases.
- throwaway67743 4y agoExactly, I also know a few victims very well and the internet was not involved, because it's pretty much spray and pray versus a trusted friend or such where the chance of success nears 100% - this is why the whole argument is really disingenuous and really contemptible.