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I think it’s far, far worse than this. Have you ever been inconvenienced because of a software bug? Now imagine you’re in jail for child sexual exploitation. H

I think it’s far, far worse than this. Have you ever been inconvenienced because of a software bug? Now imagine you’re in jail for child sexual exploitation. Have you ever tried to contact one of these big service providers to get something fixed? Would you like Google tech support (snort) be the last thing standing between you and a prison sentence? I think the absolute last place we want to be is in a world where we can’t make money to eat without our portable computer/phone that runs broken software made by some scammy dot com whose salient feature is that if we don’t stay ahead of it, it will imprison the user.

olliej 4y ago
I agree entirely, but I used the google example because they've specifically done exactly that: * Reported an image for being CSAM * Terminated the account * The police correctly recognized it isn't CSAM * Google refused to reinstate the account But even if you assume a functioning and rule-of-law based legal system and you don't go to jail without actually committing a crime, the cost of bogus CSAM reports is in no way lost on me, especially in the conservative US and many similar regressive regimes around the world where LGBT anything is legislated as child abuse. Even if you are found innocent (which again, regressive regimes make hard) and news reports and anything on the internet will be "X was arrested for having child abuse imagery" nothing will ever be updated to reflect the result. This is ignoring what happens if people maliciously inject child abuse into your device's "CSAM" filter. Before the "CSAM" detection gets expanded to "weapons", "graffiti", "evidence of crime", etc. Take the UK where politicians aggressively passed laws to allow spying to prevent "terrorism", and those laws are used almost exclusively for councils to enforce local ordinances related to cleaning, taxes, and fees. And of course none of those laws were needed to prevent the crimes they're ostensibly meant to stop (literally multiple reports to the police prior to Manchester, etc).

olliej 4y ago

I agree entirely, but I used the google example because they've specifically done exactly that: * Reported an image for being CSAM * Terminated the account * The police correctly recognized it isn't CSAM * Google refused to reinstate the account But even if you assume a functioning and rule-of-law based legal system and you don't go to jail without actually committing a crime, the cost of bogus CSAM reports is in no way lost on me, especially in the conservative US and many similar regressive regimes around the world where LGBT anything is legislated as child abuse. Even if you are found innocent (which again, regressive regimes make hard) and news reports and anything on the internet will be "X was arrested for having child abuse imagery" nothing will ever be updated to reflect the result. This is ignoring what happens if people maliciously inject child abuse into your device's "CSAM" filter. Before the "CSAM" detection gets expanded to "weapons", "graffiti", "evidence of crime", etc. Take the UK where politicians aggressively passed laws to allow spying to prevent "terrorism", and those laws are used almost exclusively for councils to enforce local ordinances related to cleaning, taxes, and fees. And of course none of those laws were needed to prevent the crimes they're ostensibly meant to stop (literally multiple reports to the police prior to Manchester, etc).