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Already the link rot on youtube is significant. Very often I will find links like "listen to this music it's good", you go to youtube and not even the metadata

by chx 4y ago

Already the link rot on youtube is significant. Very often I will find links like "listen to this music it's good", you go to youtube and not even the metadata is left, it's just an error page so you have no idea what it even was.

xmprt 4y ago
Music on YouTube is probably a bad example because it's subject to a lot of weird licensing restrictions and copyright claims.
- chx 4y ago
  Yes but is that reason to delete the metadata as well?
judge2020 4y ago
I know YouTube will throw a video to an extremely slow archival hard disk where getting 720p requires waiting a few minutes for YT to (presumably) move it to some regular storage tier with reasonable write speeds. But I've never heard of there being rot on the actual data YT stores, and I imagine it's on the same policy as Drive files where they're globally redundant, or at least in two different DCs.
- xyzzy_plugh 4y ago
  I believe the parent is referring to deleted content, not literal unintended data loss.
- lesfts 4y ago
  I've seen video corruption myself on this video: https://youtu.be/XmWgskZFkh4 https://youtu.be/XmWgskZFkh4. It's fixed now but there were glitches in the video and audio for a couple of years but somehow got fixed.
- beerandt 4y ago
  It's more about policy than physical existence. I have yet to see a definitive answer re true originals being kept vs iterations of transcodes as the preferred codec changes. Or similar questions about deleted videos getting flagged vs scrubbed, etc. Or who might ever have access to originals in either case.
- AlexAplin 4y ago
  Neil Cicierega's Ariel Needs Legs somewhat infamously had the audio corrupted on its YouTube upload over time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nH6ya5g2-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nH6ya5g2-s It actually seems better from when I last looked at it, but you can you still hear skipping and audio jitter around spots like at 0:18. I've seen similar behavior on Twitter video uploads over the last few years.
prithee 4y ago
It is, which is tragic when trying to preserve favorites and all trace is gone (including titles.) I'll intentionally duplicate playlist entries (two different uploaders) as a buffer against rot.

by chx 4y ago

xmprt 4y ago

Music on YouTube is probably a bad example because it's subject to a lot of weird licensing restrictions and copyright claims.

chx 4y ago
Yes but is that reason to delete the metadata as well?

judge2020 4y ago

I know YouTube will throw a video to an extremely slow archival hard disk where getting 720p requires waiting a few minutes for YT to (presumably) move it to some regular storage tier with reasonable write speeds. But I've never heard of there being rot on the actual data YT stores, and I imagine it's on the same policy as Drive files where they're globally redundant, or at least in two different DCs.

xyzzy_plugh 4y ago
I believe the parent is referring to deleted content, not literal unintended data loss.
lesfts 4y ago
I've seen video corruption myself on this video: https://youtu.be/XmWgskZFkh4 https://youtu.be/XmWgskZFkh4. It's fixed now but there were glitches in the video and audio for a couple of years but somehow got fixed.
beerandt 4y ago
It's more about policy than physical existence. I have yet to see a definitive answer re true originals being kept vs iterations of transcodes as the preferred codec changes. Or similar questions about deleted videos getting flagged vs scrubbed, etc. Or who might ever have access to originals in either case.
AlexAplin 4y ago
Neil Cicierega's Ariel Needs Legs somewhat infamously had the audio corrupted on its YouTube upload over time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nH6ya5g2-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nH6ya5g2-s It actually seems better from when I last looked at it, but you can you still hear skipping and audio jitter around spots like at 0:18. I've seen similar behavior on Twitter video uploads over the last few years.

prithee 4y ago

It is, which is tragic when trying to preserve favorites and all trace is gone (including titles.) I'll intentionally duplicate playlist entries (two different uploaders) as a buffer against rot.