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Evil is a useless word for psychologists. People shoot up their schools because there's something wrong with their heads, not because of good vs evil. But I wi

Evil is a useless word for psychologists. People shoot up their schools because there's something wrong with their heads, not because of good vs evil. But I will say that people who molest children ARE often mentally ill. Often, they themselves were abused and people who undergo traumatic experiences have a tendency to recreate those experiences. Seeing child molesters as purely evil and irredeemable does nothing to help us prevent child molestation.

CRConrad 3y ago
> Evil is a useless word for psychologists And psychology is useless in a debate on morality. And therefore, unless you prove your antecedent of evil being an illness, when discussing crime.
_8j50 3y ago
That is exactly why I disdain psychology. I don't care what term you use, you think a conscious descision of a person is a sickness. You ignore morality and ethics as a neccesary component of a person's thought life and in this society where psychology reigns so much chaos has resulted. Much of it because of freud's hostility to anything moral or religious. People who abuse children are in a position of power to do so. They violate the trust given to them for their pleasure. They know right from wrong, they know the concept of innocence, they know their actions cause harm. The thing psychology in it's inglorious ignorance leaves out is the concept of knowing your actions will affect someone adversley and you would not want that thing done to you. They are evil because they knew what they were doing and the harm it will cause and did it anyways because they know they will get away with it. You know what one good way to verify this is? They hide their actions! A person who had no idea they were causing harm will not hide their actions. A person fit to stand trial knows right from wrong, a convict chose wrong and for this crime that person chose to harm a child for their own gain. Keep in mind, I am not claiming that it is impossible for a person to have been brainwashed and traumatized so much that they are no longer in control if their own actions and cannot process concept such as harming others or innocence. Such people can pleas insanity and if found insane they will be locked up seeking treatment. That is not the typical priesr or gym teacher that abuses children. > Seeing child molesters as purely evil and irredeemable does nothing to help us prevent child molestation. Yes it does and your thinking in my opinion is what has caused such an explosion if this crime since the 20th century. Recognizing sane people who commit horrific crimes for what they are allows society to deal with them accordingly. If society acknowledges evil then society much also choose to be evil and ignore it or destroy it. Suddenly no punishment seems sufficient and humane treatment becomes impossible (as it should!). By how much do you reckon this crime would decrease if they were tortured in horrible medeival ways and their torture was public and streamed on the internet and tv? I'd reckon by at least 90%! So society had chosen to feel good and humane over protecting its most innocent members! And part of the cause is psychology telling you feeling good about yourself is the most important thing. You just cannot ignore the concept evil and act surprised when it is rampantly spreading. But psychology is not alone, the catholic church excuses the acts of priests and blames it on the devil much like you blame it on sickness. Any system that refused to put the blame entirely on a (sane) perepetrator is at fault. In politics you saw the so called "evangelicals"(not all of course) who supported trump no matter how much harm he caused and look at he has done to america!

CRConrad 3y ago

> Evil is a useless word for psychologists And psychology is useless in a debate on morality. And therefore, unless you prove your antecedent of evil being an illness, when discussing crime.

_8j50 3y ago

That is exactly why I disdain psychology. I don't care what term you use, you think a conscious descision of a person is a sickness. You ignore morality and ethics as a neccesary component of a person's thought life and in this society where psychology reigns so much chaos has resulted. Much of it because of freud's hostility to anything moral or religious. People who abuse children are in a position of power to do so. They violate the trust given to them for their pleasure. They know right from wrong, they know the concept of innocence, they know their actions cause harm. The thing psychology in it's inglorious ignorance leaves out is the concept of knowing your actions will affect someone adversley and you would not want that thing done to you. They are evil because they knew what they were doing and the harm it will cause and did it anyways because they know they will get away with it. You know what one good way to verify this is? They hide their actions! A person who had no idea they were causing harm will not hide their actions. A person fit to stand trial knows right from wrong, a convict chose wrong and for this crime that person chose to harm a child for their own gain. Keep in mind, I am not claiming that it is impossible for a person to have been brainwashed and traumatized so much that they are no longer in control if their own actions and cannot process concept such as harming others or innocence. Such people can pleas insanity and if found insane they will be locked up seeking treatment. That is not the typical priesr or gym teacher that abuses children. > Seeing child molesters as purely evil and irredeemable does nothing to help us prevent child molestation. Yes it does and your thinking in my opinion is what has caused such an explosion if this crime since the 20th century. Recognizing sane people who commit horrific crimes for what they are allows society to deal with them accordingly. If society acknowledges evil then society much also choose to be evil and ignore it or destroy it. Suddenly no punishment seems sufficient and humane treatment becomes impossible (as it should!). By how much do you reckon this crime would decrease if they were tortured in horrible medeival ways and their torture was public and streamed on the internet and tv? I'd reckon by at least 90%! So society had chosen to feel good and humane over protecting its most innocent members! And part of the cause is psychology telling you feeling good about yourself is the most important thing. You just cannot ignore the concept evil and act surprised when it is rampantly spreading. But psychology is not alone, the catholic church excuses the acts of priests and blames it on the devil much like you blame it on sickness. Any system that refused to put the blame entirely on a (sane) perepetrator is at fault. In politics you saw the so called "evangelicals"(not all of course) who supported trump no matter how much harm he caused and look at he has done to america!