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A great example of a website that completely fails to clearly explain how it's different from the competition.

by nprateem 4y ago

8organicbits 4y ago
Linked from the home page: https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/ https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/
- nullfield 4y ago
  If this was all the way transparent about Keycloak they’d make it clear that Keycloak is the upstream for Red Hat SSO, which has support options from Red Hat/IBM and so on. It’s a little bit different model from theirs, but no less valid.
- mariusor 4y ago
  Which requires viewers be authenticated to show anything. Bleh.
  - edwinbalani 4y ago
    Scrolling down from the "create an account" button, all the "Ory vs [thing]" links from that page open up just fine for me.
  - meepmorp 4y ago
    Just click the comparison links, e.g., ory vs keycloak leads to: https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/ory-vs-keycloak/ https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/ory-vs-keycloak/ the chart may be hidden "below the fold," so scroll down.
    - mariusor 4y ago
      Ah I see. Terrible UI none the less. I gave up previously because having the user create button "above the fold" implied that an account was needed to view the comparison. SMH.
      - meepmorp 4y ago
        Oh, yeah, it's lousy design. I don't think it's intentionally deceptive, but it was still offputting.
aeneas_ory 4y ago
I agree that we can do better here. Do you have a comparison in mind that you really liked?
- illiarian 4y ago
  Funny how you claim to support GDPR but your own site displays a non-compliant cookie banner.
  - samtho 4y ago
    Their cookie banner is provided by a 3rd party and I can’t see how it is non-compliant unless there is something I’m missing.
    - capableweb 4y ago
      Because it's a 3rd party, it cannot be non-compliant? Seems like it's 1 extra click to disallow compared to allow, so yeah, non-compliant. Should be exactly as easy to say yes as saying no. In this case it's not.
      - tiki_ory 4y ago
        Hey. Ory PM here. Thanks for the info. We fixed the Cookie Banner now. So one click Deny is now possible.
      - pestaa 4y ago
        Overblown criticism like this give GDPR an undeserved bad rep.
        illiarian 4y ago
        It's not overblown criticism. They advertise their product as GDPR-compliant, and yet their website uses dark patterns to trick people into allowing tracking, and is not GDPR-compliant. Do I trust them to be as diligent in their product? And yeah, what gives GDPR bad rep is exactly these kinds of dark patterns and other forms of malicious compliance by non-caring companies.
snowstormsun 4y ago
I think their Github "About" text is quite clear imho. An open source identity service that can be an alternative to similar commercial ones like Okta, Auth0.

A great example of a website that completely fails to clearly explain how it's different from the competition.

8organicbits 4y ago

Linked from the home page: https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/ https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/

nullfield 4y ago
If this was all the way transparent about Keycloak they’d make it clear that Keycloak is the upstream for Red Hat SSO, which has support options from Red Hat/IBM and so on. It’s a little bit different model from theirs, but no less valid.
mariusor 4y ago
Which requires viewers be authenticated to show anything. Bleh.
- edwinbalani 4y ago
  Scrolling down from the "create an account" button, all the "Ory vs [thing]" links from that page open up just fine for me.
- meepmorp 4y ago
  Just click the comparison links, e.g., ory vs keycloak leads to: https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/ory-vs-keycloak/ https://www.ory.sh/comparisons/ory-vs-keycloak/ the chart may be hidden "below the fold," so scroll down.
  - mariusor 4y ago
    Ah I see. Terrible UI none the less. I gave up previously because having the user create button "above the fold" implied that an account was needed to view the comparison. SMH.
    - meepmorp 4y ago
      Oh, yeah, it's lousy design. I don't think it's intentionally deceptive, but it was still offputting.

aeneas_ory 4y ago

I agree that we can do better here. Do you have a comparison in mind that you really liked?

illiarian 4y ago
Funny how you claim to support GDPR but your own site displays a non-compliant cookie banner.
- samtho 4y ago
  Their cookie banner is provided by a 3rd party and I can’t see how it is non-compliant unless there is something I’m missing.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    Because it's a 3rd party, it cannot be non-compliant? Seems like it's 1 extra click to disallow compared to allow, so yeah, non-compliant. Should be exactly as easy to say yes as saying no. In this case it's not.
    - tiki_ory 4y ago
      Hey. Ory PM here. Thanks for the info. We fixed the Cookie Banner now. So one click Deny is now possible.
    - pestaa 4y ago
      Overblown criticism like this give GDPR an undeserved bad rep.
      - illiarian 4y ago
        It's not overblown criticism. They advertise their product as GDPR-compliant, and yet their website uses dark patterns to trick people into allowing tracking, and is not GDPR-compliant. Do I trust them to be as diligent in their product? And yeah, what gives GDPR bad rep is exactly these kinds of dark patterns and other forms of malicious compliance by non-caring companies.

snowstormsun 4y ago

I think their Github "About" text is quite clear imho. An open source identity service that can be an alternative to similar commercial ones like Okta, Auth0.