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Didn't Poland decide they didn't actually need Ukraine's grain and it's just sitting in ports rotting? https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/16/europe/poland-bans-grain-u

Didn't Poland decide they didn't actually need Ukraine's grain and it's just sitting in ports rotting? https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/16/europe/poland-bans-grain-ukraine-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/16/europe/poland-bans-grain-ukra... Doesn't seem like there is much demand for Ukraine grain.

kelipso 3y ago
Just an aside but wheat grain lasts basically forever so it's not exactly rotting.
distances 3y ago
> Doesn't seem like there is much demand for Ukraine grain. Always with the disinformation. Ukraine's main exports for grain are obviously not in Europe. https://oec.world/en/profile/country/ukr/ https://oec.world/en/profile/country/ukr/
- qwytw 3y ago
  > Always with the disinformation. There is no need for accusations like this. There is a grain glut in Europe to the extent that Poland and other countries are closing their borders to imports (I think it has something to do with the fact that's it's difficult ship over the black sea due to obvious reasons and the land routes are lacking in capacity). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/17/slovakia-joins-poland-hungary-halting-ukraine-grain-imports https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/17/slovakia-joins...
  - distances 3y ago
    Yes, exactly. There's large need for Ukrainian grain elsewhere, but export via sea routes is obviously very hard with the war going on. My comment was about the parent trying to twist this to mean there's no demand for the grain, which obviously isn't true.
    - deelowe 3y ago
      Export would include sea exports of course. Where's the misinformation?
      - distances 3y ago
        I don't get your point about exports, I think there's some misunderstanding? Misinformation in this case is to claim there's no demand for Ukrainian grain. But misinformation is rife in the whole discussion and most others in the same topic. As soon as anything about Russia is discussed, we get a spirited comment section telling how well Russia is doing, how West is failing, and how Ukraine would be better off by just voluntarily ceding its lands that actually belonged to Russia all this time anyway.
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    > and the land routes are lacking in capacity It's the costs of transporting the same amount by land. Bulk carrier takes ~50000t, you need ~2500 long semis to haul this amount at best. Include the gas, drivers salary etc.

kelipso 3y ago

Just an aside but wheat grain lasts basically forever so it's not exactly rotting.

distances 3y ago

> Doesn't seem like there is much demand for Ukraine grain. Always with the disinformation. Ukraine's main exports for grain are obviously not in Europe. https://oec.world/en/profile/country/ukr/ https://oec.world/en/profile/country/ukr/

qwytw 3y ago
> Always with the disinformation. There is no need for accusations like this. There is a grain glut in Europe to the extent that Poland and other countries are closing their borders to imports (I think it has something to do with the fact that's it's difficult ship over the black sea due to obvious reasons and the land routes are lacking in capacity). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/17/slovakia-joins-poland-hungary-halting-ukraine-grain-imports https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/17/slovakia-joins...
- distances 3y ago
  Yes, exactly. There's large need for Ukrainian grain elsewhere, but export via sea routes is obviously very hard with the war going on. My comment was about the parent trying to twist this to mean there's no demand for the grain, which obviously isn't true.
  - deelowe 3y ago
    Export would include sea exports of course. Where's the misinformation?
    - distances 3y ago
      I don't get your point about exports, I think there's some misunderstanding? Misinformation in this case is to claim there's no demand for Ukrainian grain. But misinformation is rife in the whole discussion and most others in the same topic. As soon as anything about Russia is discussed, we get a spirited comment section telling how well Russia is doing, how West is failing, and how Ukraine would be better off by just voluntarily ceding its lands that actually belonged to Russia all this time anyway.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  > and the land routes are lacking in capacity It's the costs of transporting the same amount by land. Bulk carrier takes ~50000t, you need ~2500 long semis to haul this amount at best. Include the gas, drivers salary etc.