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The results are impressive, but also serious nightmare fuel. I suppose that's a good example of the "uncanny valley": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_vall

The results are impressive, but also serious nightmare fuel. I suppose that's a good example of the "uncanny valley": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

melbourne_mat 3y ago
I've seen the phrase "uncanny valley" thrown around a bunch of times. Who are these people who have emotional reactions to CGI which is not quite real looking?
- capableweb 3y ago
  Emotional reaction doesnt just mean crying or laughing, the feeling of "that looks unreal" is a emotional reaction too and that's what's being referred to here.
- Nevermark 3y ago
  For many millennia CGI has had difficulty creating anything that looked real. But each advance has been an opportunity to unnerve people as they react to how much more real something looks, but still isn’t real. I think the uncanny valley is now getting trained out of us. We are all getting used to a continuum of real to stylistically unreal, with no more unexplored valley. Except for the weird mistakes. Those will likely remain weird to us since most of us don’t want to immerse ourselves in worlds of uncountable fingers and third arms for long enough for that to start feeling normal.
- taneq 3y ago
  Almost-real-looking CGI is one thing. I find some of these AI images to be far creepier because they look so plausible, but then the longer you look the worse it gets. Pretty girl on a beach at sunset! But there's a hand resting on her waist, and she's alone. And she has six fingers on one hand. And one foot is the wrong way around. And then you realise that she has too many teeth and they go past the end of her lips... and one is poking out from one of her eyes. And then it gets weirder.
- numpad0 3y ago
  Realism is just a part of the valley phenomenon, not all super-realistic things cause it. There is sort of a sense of betrayal, which gives a heavy feeling in the gut. To me, it's a similar feeling to motion sickness.
- nomel 3y ago
  It's not a "phrase" as much as a well researched phenomenon [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
janmo 3y ago
It looks like the pictures that you would get out of MidJourney V1 or the early DALL-E, but I assume this can quickly improve in the next months.
- GaggiX 3y ago
  Not really, Dalle 1 generated low resolution, blurry images without CFG (so to generate something relevant you would need to generate ~512 of them and sort them using CLIP), the first MJ generative model wasn't even conditioned on text, it was an unconditional diffusion model probably guided by CLIP (so it wasn't particularly coherent). People don't seem to remember how bad text-to-image was only a few months ago.
Kiro 3y ago
I think people are abusing this term when it comes to AI. These examples do not trigger any uncanny valley effect for me. The same way cartoons do not. It's nightmarish but that's different.
XCSme 3y ago
I think they are not close to the uncanny valley yet. Most of the results are still clearly CGI. For the uncanny valley, they have to look really, really accurate, BUT something feels "off" without knowing what. In most of the generated imagery nowadays, if you look closely you can still immediately point out what is off.

melbourne_mat 3y ago

I've seen the phrase "uncanny valley" thrown around a bunch of times. Who are these people who have emotional reactions to CGI which is not quite real looking?

capableweb 3y ago
Emotional reaction doesnt just mean crying or laughing, the feeling of "that looks unreal" is a emotional reaction too and that's what's being referred to here.
Nevermark 3y ago
For many millennia CGI has had difficulty creating anything that looked real. But each advance has been an opportunity to unnerve people as they react to how much more real something looks, but still isn’t real. I think the uncanny valley is now getting trained out of us. We are all getting used to a continuum of real to stylistically unreal, with no more unexplored valley. Except for the weird mistakes. Those will likely remain weird to us since most of us don’t want to immerse ourselves in worlds of uncountable fingers and third arms for long enough for that to start feeling normal.
taneq 3y ago
Almost-real-looking CGI is one thing. I find some of these AI images to be far creepier because they look so plausible, but then the longer you look the worse it gets. Pretty girl on a beach at sunset! But there's a hand resting on her waist, and she's alone. And she has six fingers on one hand. And one foot is the wrong way around. And then you realise that she has too many teeth and they go past the end of her lips... and one is poking out from one of her eyes. And then it gets weirder.
numpad0 3y ago
Realism is just a part of the valley phenomenon, not all super-realistic things cause it. There is sort of a sense of betrayal, which gives a heavy feeling in the gut. To me, it's a similar feeling to motion sickness.
nomel 3y ago
It's not a "phrase" as much as a well researched phenomenon [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

janmo 3y ago

It looks like the pictures that you would get out of MidJourney V1 or the early DALL-E, but I assume this can quickly improve in the next months.

GaggiX 3y ago
Not really, Dalle 1 generated low resolution, blurry images without CFG (so to generate something relevant you would need to generate ~512 of them and sort them using CLIP), the first MJ generative model wasn't even conditioned on text, it was an unconditional diffusion model probably guided by CLIP (so it wasn't particularly coherent). People don't seem to remember how bad text-to-image was only a few months ago.

Kiro 3y ago

I think people are abusing this term when it comes to AI. These examples do not trigger any uncanny valley effect for me. The same way cartoons do not. It's nightmarish but that's different.

XCSme 3y ago

I think they are not close to the uncanny valley yet. Most of the results are still clearly CGI. For the uncanny valley, they have to look really, really accurate, BUT something feels "off" without knowing what. In most of the generated imagery nowadays, if you look closely you can still immediately point out what is off.