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> People have options. Even low wage employees. How disconnected from reality can one be? Do you hang out with low wage employees? The ones that need to keep

by piva00 4y ago

> People have options. Even low wage employees. How disconnected from reality can one be? Do you hang out with low wage employees? The ones that need to keep a salary to feed their families, to shelter them, and to keep a bare minimum of life quality? If you had friends with families in any low wage job you'd know that reality isn't that simple, it's such an absurd reduction of what it is to be employed in fields that aren't sexy, or where promotions don't exist as we expect in tech. > The people in these jobs jump around a lot and are notoriously unreliable or likely to not give notice when they leave. Yeah, they jump a lot because low wage jobs are usually the most toxic ones, with low wage abusive managers, because low wage is not conducive to hiring the best and brightest. If you ever had a bad manager, imagine that 10x worse: no psychologically safe, no trust environments are not conducive to long tenure. People are people, we feel when something isn't right for us, deciding to leave is not because there is a much better option somewhere else but there's a chance of a less bad option than the toxic environment they find themselves in. Coupled that a well performing low wage employee might have to work with disengaged ones, the toxicity of the environment can only increase... Get out of your bubble, it might help you to have solidarity with other human beings.

bko 4y ago
I've worked low pay jobs. Restaurant, lifeguard and data entry. Nothing too hard but I have some sense. It doesn't sound like you have much experience and you're going off antidotes you hear on Reddit. Correct me if I'm wrong But with businesses that rely on low wage jobs the edge of running the business is being an effective manager. Open a McDonald's franchise. They'll set you up such that it's basically turnkey. So what makes one McDonald's manager successful and another not? Managing low wage employees. That means not creating a toxic environment and treating them fairly so they don't leave so quickly. Managers spend hours training new employees. There's no benefit to being toxic or unreasonable because like you admitted, they'll leave. If someone leaves mid shift it means you're stuck working the register and their entire shift for the next few weeks till you find a train a replacement. It's also more paperwork to fill out to hire someone and get them setup in the system. You're delusional if you think managers don't care People who think you can treat low wage workers poorly obv never been around low wage workers Your argument is inconsistent. People don't leave because they need the job. But they leave jobs a lot because toxic managers. And managers are fine with being toxic because it costs them nothing to hire people and there's no distribution when people walk off. I have solidarity with other people. The difference is I don't look down on them and remove their autonomy.
- piva00 4y ago
  I have worked on low paid jobs, in a developing country, when I wasn't even 16 years old yet, so I believe I have a bit more perspective of what toxicity exists in these environments. You lived through cushioned jobs (lifeguards, restaurants, data entry), not really a place where your co-workers are constantly abused by a manager that didn't even attend high school in a place where education is already pretty dire. I feel our experiences are from vastly different worlds, McDonald's in my home country is one of the most abusive and toxic places to work for. As well as call centres, or any kind of low wage service job. Or working in the fields. All of those are low wage, toxic places to work at. Your worldview is coloured by living in a developed country, most of humanity does not have that experience.
  - bko 4y ago
    You're right. I don't know how the rest of the world operates. I have some idea of low wage jobs in the US which is a free and prosperous first world country. It's really the land of opportunity for the most vulnerable and im blessed to be here. I should have prefaced my answer by stating that

by piva00 4y ago

bko 4y ago

I've worked low pay jobs. Restaurant, lifeguard and data entry. Nothing too hard but I have some sense. It doesn't sound like you have much experience and you're going off antidotes you hear on Reddit. Correct me if I'm wrong But with businesses that rely on low wage jobs the edge of running the business is being an effective manager. Open a McDonald's franchise. They'll set you up such that it's basically turnkey. So what makes one McDonald's manager successful and another not? Managing low wage employees. That means not creating a toxic environment and treating them fairly so they don't leave so quickly. Managers spend hours training new employees. There's no benefit to being toxic or unreasonable because like you admitted, they'll leave. If someone leaves mid shift it means you're stuck working the register and their entire shift for the next few weeks till you find a train a replacement. It's also more paperwork to fill out to hire someone and get them setup in the system. You're delusional if you think managers don't care People who think you can treat low wage workers poorly obv never been around low wage workers Your argument is inconsistent. People don't leave because they need the job. But they leave jobs a lot because toxic managers. And managers are fine with being toxic because it costs them nothing to hire people and there's no distribution when people walk off. I have solidarity with other people. The difference is I don't look down on them and remove their autonomy.

piva00 4y ago
I have worked on low paid jobs, in a developing country, when I wasn't even 16 years old yet, so I believe I have a bit more perspective of what toxicity exists in these environments. You lived through cushioned jobs (lifeguards, restaurants, data entry), not really a place where your co-workers are constantly abused by a manager that didn't even attend high school in a place where education is already pretty dire. I feel our experiences are from vastly different worlds, McDonald's in my home country is one of the most abusive and toxic places to work for. As well as call centres, or any kind of low wage service job. Or working in the fields. All of those are low wage, toxic places to work at. Your worldview is coloured by living in a developed country, most of humanity does not have that experience.
- bko 4y ago
  You're right. I don't know how the rest of the world operates. I have some idea of low wage jobs in the US which is a free and prosperous first world country. It's really the land of opportunity for the most vulnerable and im blessed to be here. I should have prefaced my answer by stating that