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This. I don't understand how Microsoft is able to get away with paying so much less than faang and co.

• nibbleshifter 4y ago
  Perception of stability. Which until recently, was relatively unshaken. As an employer, MS also has tended to be much more understanding of personal circumstances and the likes - I know people there who took long career breaks, or had mental issues/breakdowns (sometimes quite public) that would elsewhere have been a resume generating event. Locally Apple are also regarded as an extremely stable employer, especially at the lower levels (support, etc). I've friends working fucking customer support jobs at apple because its stable and comfortable, when they could be making twice as much elsewhere given their skills. I considered taking such a job a couple of years ago, after becoming thoroughly burned out of consulting/contracting and wanting some stability. Funny thing about Apple though is the IP clauses in their contracts. Even the guys working phone support for customers have to go through a whole paperwork process if they want to publish code they wrote in their own time online, just to ensure there's no Apple IP in it.
• mistrial9 4y ago
  MSFT values business deals, security with finance attached, market branding with finance attached; institutional contracts and Defense spending; basically all the business parts with coders doing the work. For people who train to work skillfully, it is a rude awakening to interact with people who train to take control of business and get the programming done like any other commodity -- extracting the profit and control of future profit immediately with security, contracts and worker surveillance.