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It would be nice if the article had a couple of photos of the manuscript or even better a link to the recovered text.

AstixAndBelix 4y ago
For some reason most online publications still think we're in the era of paper journals and stubbornly refuse to corredate their articles with references as if they had strict space constraints
- Someone 4y ago
  No, they think they’re in the 21st century and think it brings in more money when site visitors click on links that stay on their site than when they click on outgoing links. The publication is open access and has images. See https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00407-022-00302-w https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00407-022-00302-w
  - azepoi 4y ago
    Thanks for the source paper. Interesting use of imagery, with 13 frequency bands from near infrared to UV. https://lumiere-technology.com/technique-multispectrale/ https://lumiere-technology.com/technique-multispectrale/ https://lumiere-technology.com/imagerie-multispectrale/ https://lumiere-technology.com/imagerie-multispectrale/
  - yesco 4y ago
    > it brings in more money when site visitors click on links that stay on their site than when they click on outgoing links As trust in journalism declines, I wonder if/when we will start to see a reversal of this? Providing sources, and bragging about providing sources when other news orgs do not, seems like it would be a great selling point to a lot of people. At the same time, I would also bet that the vast majority of people would never check/click the sources if provided, especially if structured like a bibliography and pushed off to the side. Just the comfort of believing the sources are available would be enough to keep people coming back, meaning journalists would get to have their cake and eat it too.
    - eru 4y ago
      Many blogs already do this, and I've even seen it on youtube. Not sure if you call bloggers and youtubers 'journalists', though?
      - yesco 4y ago
        I think you could technically refer to them as journalists too but I meant the traditional non-independent kind. Honestly the rise of bloggers + youtubers providing higher quality well sourced content than the mainstream is partially why I think this might become a de-facto requirement to compete in the future.
        eru 4y ago
        I'm not so sure. Because those alternatives exist, people who care about that kind of sourcing will select themselves out of the audience of traditional journalism. That will leave that audience with less demand for such rigor. (At least that's an alternative story you can spin. So we can't say a priori whether your narrative or mine would prevail, at least not without leaving our armchairs.)
      - local_crmdgeon 4y ago
        I'd consider any group of people that cite sources and report stories to be journalists. It's a useful heuristic because in this case, it excludes Ars. Those go into the less prestigious category, "journoids"
        eru 4y ago
        You can make up your own definitions of words, but talking to other people is gonna get confusing really fast.
  - eru 4y ago
    I'm mildly impressed that this Springer site let me just view the article and its pdf without jumping through any hoops. I usually recoil whenever I find myself on a Springer site and their paywalls.
- spacebanana7 4y ago
  Google could solve this problem. A new ranking boost for high reputation outbound links similar to the current boost for high reputation inbound links would encourage citations because editors would encourage the practice from journalists. Some check might be necessary to make sure the citation fits the context of the article, however current NLP tech can manage that fairly well - and again I vaguely remember that Google has a some kind context check for outbound links too.
  - Eric_WVGG 4y ago
    That’s already how Google works. The publishers either aren’t aware of that, or think captive readers are more valuable than SEO.
    - spacebanana7 4y ago
      Thanks for the correction, I didn't know that
sp332 4y ago
This article was written by a "contributor". Most Ars Technica articles are full of links.

For some reason most online publications still think we're in the era of paper journals and stubbornly refuse to corredate their articles with references as if they had strict space constraints

Someone 4y ago
No, they think they’re in the 21st century and think it brings in more money when site visitors click on links that stay on their site than when they click on outgoing links. The publication is open access and has images. See https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00407-022-00302-w https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00407-022-00302-w
- azepoi 4y ago
  Thanks for the source paper. Interesting use of imagery, with 13 frequency bands from near infrared to UV. https://lumiere-technology.com/technique-multispectrale/ https://lumiere-technology.com/technique-multispectrale/ https://lumiere-technology.com/imagerie-multispectrale/ https://lumiere-technology.com/imagerie-multispectrale/
- yesco 4y ago
  > it brings in more money when site visitors click on links that stay on their site than when they click on outgoing links As trust in journalism declines, I wonder if/when we will start to see a reversal of this? Providing sources, and bragging about providing sources when other news orgs do not, seems like it would be a great selling point to a lot of people. At the same time, I would also bet that the vast majority of people would never check/click the sources if provided, especially if structured like a bibliography and pushed off to the side. Just the comfort of believing the sources are available would be enough to keep people coming back, meaning journalists would get to have their cake and eat it too.
  - eru 4y ago
    Many blogs already do this, and I've even seen it on youtube. Not sure if you call bloggers and youtubers 'journalists', though?
    - yesco 4y ago
      I think you could technically refer to them as journalists too but I meant the traditional non-independent kind. Honestly the rise of bloggers + youtubers providing higher quality well sourced content than the mainstream is partially why I think this might become a de-facto requirement to compete in the future.
      - eru 4y ago
        I'm not so sure. Because those alternatives exist, people who care about that kind of sourcing will select themselves out of the audience of traditional journalism. That will leave that audience with less demand for such rigor. (At least that's an alternative story you can spin. So we can't say a priori whether your narrative or mine would prevail, at least not without leaving our armchairs.)
    - local_crmdgeon 4y ago
      I'd consider any group of people that cite sources and report stories to be journalists. It's a useful heuristic because in this case, it excludes Ars. Those go into the less prestigious category, "journoids"
      - eru 4y ago
        You can make up your own definitions of words, but talking to other people is gonna get confusing really fast.
- eru 4y ago
  I'm mildly impressed that this Springer site let me just view the article and its pdf without jumping through any hoops. I usually recoil whenever I find myself on a Springer site and their paywalls.
spacebanana7 4y ago
Google could solve this problem. A new ranking boost for high reputation outbound links similar to the current boost for high reputation inbound links would encourage citations because editors would encourage the practice from journalists. Some check might be necessary to make sure the citation fits the context of the article, however current NLP tech can manage that fairly well - and again I vaguely remember that Google has a some kind context check for outbound links too.
- Eric_WVGG 4y ago
  That’s already how Google works. The publishers either aren’t aware of that, or think captive readers are more valuable than SEO.
  - spacebanana7 4y ago
    Thanks for the correction, I didn't know that

sp332 4y ago

This article was written by a "contributor". Most Ars Technica articles are full of links.