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Plus that company would look after you if you committed to them and they might employ your kids and grandkids too if you could help keep them around. Now... Do

Plus that company would look after you if you committed to them and they might employ your kids and grandkids too if you could help keep them around. Now... Doesn't matter if your employer succeeds or fails. You just go somewhere else and do the same thing for a similar salary, and some numbers go up or down in wealthy people's portfolios. Not sure if that's freeing or depressing.

steve1977 3y ago
You mean the capitalists ensured that they exploited you enough so that they also had your offspring on the hook for further exploitation? You almost made that sound like a good thing.
- over_bridge 3y ago
  That's a pretty cynical take but there are some truly old businesses in the world where generations of families have worked and enjoyed a good life. Work can uplift people and be a centre of the community. Or it can be like most are today where you work away for some faceless shareholders who fire you when they need a stock price boost.
  - steve1977 3y ago
    > enjoyed a good life Did they? As good as the capitalists company owners life? Or have they just been told that „this is the good life“? I think the problem today is that a lot of work is actually not needed anymore. It’s just there to make a small elite richer and keep people under control.
    - 7speter 3y ago
      Sometimes being able to buy a house and raise a family is a good enough life.
      - steve1977 3y ago
        The question is, what would they have been able to buy without the exploitation?
- rajin444 3y ago
  No system can fix a corrupt elite. Even Adam Smith acknowledged that capitalism is an abusive system when you have elites that do not have their people’s best interest in mind. A high trust, cohesive populace is the minimum for any societal progress. And that starts with rulers who work to ensure they’re doing right by their people. America, instead, has rulers on both sides working to ensure the populace hates one another.
piva00 3y ago
I'm on the camp that it's depressing, devoid of meaning, I'm human, I want to care. It's definitely not freeing to me to feel this jaded, this "whatever" feeling... I'd love to actually care more deeply about my employer if I knew there was a counterpart to it, the feeling of being a cog is life-sucking, why does it matter I work except for the money I'm paid for it? Typing this out made me realise that it's exactly the kind of metric that is hidden, all the bean-counting and MBAs cannot put a value into the engagement of an individual towards their employer when they feel safe and cared for. It does not have value on the next quarter or next year, it has value over 10-20 years, and given climate change and other issues that devolve over a long term it seems that late-stage capitalism simply does not care about 10-20 years spans, at all. There's no incentive and no punishment for caring or not caring, it's all in the now. This immeadiatism will be the bane of the whole system, it's not sustainable.

steve1977 3y ago

You mean the capitalists ensured that they exploited you enough so that they also had your offspring on the hook for further exploitation? You almost made that sound like a good thing.

over_bridge 3y ago
That's a pretty cynical take but there are some truly old businesses in the world where generations of families have worked and enjoyed a good life. Work can uplift people and be a centre of the community. Or it can be like most are today where you work away for some faceless shareholders who fire you when they need a stock price boost.
- steve1977 3y ago
  > enjoyed a good life Did they? As good as the capitalists company owners life? Or have they just been told that „this is the good life“? I think the problem today is that a lot of work is actually not needed anymore. It’s just there to make a small elite richer and keep people under control.
  - 7speter 3y ago
    Sometimes being able to buy a house and raise a family is a good enough life.
    - steve1977 3y ago
      The question is, what would they have been able to buy without the exploitation?
rajin444 3y ago
No system can fix a corrupt elite. Even Adam Smith acknowledged that capitalism is an abusive system when you have elites that do not have their people’s best interest in mind. A high trust, cohesive populace is the minimum for any societal progress. And that starts with rulers who work to ensure they’re doing right by their people. America, instead, has rulers on both sides working to ensure the populace hates one another.

piva00 3y ago

I'm on the camp that it's depressing, devoid of meaning, I'm human, I want to care. It's definitely not freeing to me to feel this jaded, this "whatever" feeling... I'd love to actually care more deeply about my employer if I knew there was a counterpart to it, the feeling of being a cog is life-sucking, why does it matter I work except for the money I'm paid for it? Typing this out made me realise that it's exactly the kind of metric that is hidden, all the bean-counting and MBAs cannot put a value into the engagement of an individual towards their employer when they feel safe and cared for. It does not have value on the next quarter or next year, it has value over 10-20 years, and given climate change and other issues that devolve over a long term it seems that late-stage capitalism simply does not care about 10-20 years spans, at all. There's no incentive and no punishment for caring or not caring, it's all in the now. This immeadiatism will be the bane of the whole system, it's not sustainable.