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True. But some voting machines generate a print of the vote that was tabulated, and some generate a printout from a separate code path. The problem is that you

True. But some voting machines generate a print of the vote that was tabulated, and some generate a printout from a separate code path. The problem is that you don't know which it is.

akerl_ 4y ago
Presumably you could ask any of the humans standing there staffing the election process and they'd tell you. Or you could assume Skynet's clever plan is mass election fraud and making sure nobody ever finds out or tells.
- quantified 4y ago
  They don't know. Not sure why you're dismissing the problems here by referring to fictional movie elements? Note the "secretly record" element in [https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/12/more_voting_mac_1.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/12/more_voting_m...] Bruce Schneier is not a crank, he's written extensively over the years on the issues and the one I'm pointing out is just one specific one of many. As a software developer yourself, you might be capable of taking these issues seriously.
  - akerl_ 4y ago
    You don't think the staff at a polling place know whether the thing they're submitting to be counted is the printed ballots, or some other output of the ballot marking device? The article you linked doesn't seem to have any connection to the flow where a computerized machine helps mark a ballot, drops it into your hands, and you can see and review it before dropping it into a box to be counted.
  - TechBro8615 4y ago
    Your link to Schneier got me browsing through his "voting" tag. I found it quite interesting to compare these two posts and comments, from November 25, 2016 [0] and November 27, 2020 [1]. The topic is nearly the same, - some people found some irregularities in some counties - but the tone and treatment of the claims is drastically different. It's worth considering how we discuss election security through a partisan lens. [0] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/11/hacking_and_the.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/11/hacking_and_t... [1] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/11/undermining-democracy.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/11/undermining-d...

True. But some voting machines generate a print of the vote that was tabulated, and some generate a printout from a separate code path. The problem is that you don't know which it is.

akerl_ 4y ago

Presumably you could ask any of the humans standing there staffing the election process and they'd tell you. Or you could assume Skynet's clever plan is mass election fraud and making sure nobody ever finds out or tells.

quantified 4y ago
They don't know. Not sure why you're dismissing the problems here by referring to fictional movie elements? Note the "secretly record" element in [https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/12/more_voting_mac_1.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/12/more_voting_m...] Bruce Schneier is not a crank, he's written extensively over the years on the issues and the one I'm pointing out is just one specific one of many. As a software developer yourself, you might be capable of taking these issues seriously.
- akerl_ 4y ago
  You don't think the staff at a polling place know whether the thing they're submitting to be counted is the printed ballots, or some other output of the ballot marking device? The article you linked doesn't seem to have any connection to the flow where a computerized machine helps mark a ballot, drops it into your hands, and you can see and review it before dropping it into a box to be counted.
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  Your link to Schneier got me browsing through his "voting" tag. I found it quite interesting to compare these two posts and comments, from November 25, 2016 [0] and November 27, 2020 [1]. The topic is nearly the same, - some people found some irregularities in some counties - but the tone and treatment of the claims is drastically different. It's worth considering how we discuss election security through a partisan lens. [0] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/11/hacking_and_the.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/11/hacking_and_t... [1] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/11/undermining-democracy.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/11/undermining-d...