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According to this tweet[0] citing a (locked) article, the arrested publisher was asked by police "Do you support president Macron? Have you participated in the

by ornel 3y ago

According to this tweet[0] citing a (locked) article, the arrested publisher was asked by police "Do you support president Macron? Have you participated in the recent demonstrations in France? What books will soon be published by La Fabrique?". Scary stuff [0] https://twitter.com/Mathieu2jean/status/1648394577449984014 https://twitter.com/Mathieu2jean/status/1648394577449984014

barnabee 3y ago
Shameful. I cannot fathom how anyone in government or the police believes this (whatever they asked him, whatever they were told) is anywhere close to ok.
- stametseater 3y ago
  > I cannot fathom how anyone in government or the police believes this (whatever they asked him, whatever they were told) is anywhere close to ok. Something along the lines of: It's okay when I do it, because my motives are pure, my cause is just. The ends justify the means. With this sort of mentality, people have committed mass murder and earnestly believed they were the good guys. Millions upon millions have been murdered by people who were utterly convinced they were on the right side of history. Compared to that, police officers convincing themselves that it's okay to violate the civil rights of a publisher is child's play.
1letterunixname 3y ago
The proper personal data hygiene tips are: 0. Never take your primary personal or work cell phone to any demonstration 1. Cover your face, if you can, or wear anti-facial recognition makeup 2. Do not use social media from primary personal devices 3. Anyone intent on trying to join the cause is a cop. Until proven otherwise, anyone you meet is a cop 4. The standard response to any official questions in the future is to deny all allegations, keep quiet, and ask for a lawyer
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  The kicker being, there is actually a 6th critical tip: 5. record your interactions with anyone around you, specially cops The number 0 point (not bringing your cell phone) makes it pretty difficult, so you need an everyday phone, and a dedicated "demonstration" phone.
  - psychphysic 3y ago
    It's pretty pathetic of the French government to be silent on why exactly they flagged him like this. And presumably did not arrest him on exit! But I'm afraid since Brexit the UK gov has fallen over itself backwards to look like it's still able to work with EU agencies. It's more valuable to them to overzealously agree than to resist when we had a secure table at the EU table.
    - 1letterunixname 3y ago
      Perhaps the optics of nations quid pro quo oppressing each others' citizens are better than direct oppression. What are the tangible pro's and con's of Brexit? IIRC, EU membership forced Scandinavian countries to broadly weaken regulations on toxic substances and discard the precautionary principle. Would UK on Euro subsidize worse economic performance of other nations? What is the new, actual situation in N Ireland in terms of trade, regulations, and standards?
- c80e74f077 3y ago
  Guess what, #1 is illegal in France: “Nul ne peut, dans l'espace public, porter une tenue destinée à dissimuler son visage”[0] (No one may, in the public space, wear clothing intended to conceal his face). Anti-facial recognition makeup should be fine, though. For the time being. [0] https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI000022912213 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI00002...
  - 1letterunixname 3y ago
    Generally a question posed to French society: So is it illegal to wear Islamic clothing or be concerned with airborne spread of communicable disease?

by ornel 3y ago

barnabee 3y ago

Shameful. I cannot fathom how anyone in government or the police believes this (whatever they asked him, whatever they were told) is anywhere close to ok.

stametseater 3y ago
> I cannot fathom how anyone in government or the police believes this (whatever they asked him, whatever they were told) is anywhere close to ok. Something along the lines of: It's okay when I do it, because my motives are pure, my cause is just. The ends justify the means. With this sort of mentality, people have committed mass murder and earnestly believed they were the good guys. Millions upon millions have been murdered by people who were utterly convinced they were on the right side of history. Compared to that, police officers convincing themselves that it's okay to violate the civil rights of a publisher is child's play.

1letterunixname 3y ago

The proper personal data hygiene tips are: 0. Never take your primary personal or work cell phone to any demonstration 1. Cover your face, if you can, or wear anti-facial recognition makeup 2. Do not use social media from primary personal devices 3. Anyone intent on trying to join the cause is a cop. Until proven otherwise, anyone you meet is a cop 4. The standard response to any official questions in the future is to deny all allegations, keep quiet, and ask for a lawyer

makeitdouble 3y ago
The kicker being, there is actually a 6th critical tip: 5. record your interactions with anyone around you, specially cops The number 0 point (not bringing your cell phone) makes it pretty difficult, so you need an everyday phone, and a dedicated "demonstration" phone.
- psychphysic 3y ago
  It's pretty pathetic of the French government to be silent on why exactly they flagged him like this. And presumably did not arrest him on exit! But I'm afraid since Brexit the UK gov has fallen over itself backwards to look like it's still able to work with EU agencies. It's more valuable to them to overzealously agree than to resist when we had a secure table at the EU table.
  - 1letterunixname 3y ago
    Perhaps the optics of nations quid pro quo oppressing each others' citizens are better than direct oppression. What are the tangible pro's and con's of Brexit? IIRC, EU membership forced Scandinavian countries to broadly weaken regulations on toxic substances and discard the precautionary principle. Would UK on Euro subsidize worse economic performance of other nations? What is the new, actual situation in N Ireland in terms of trade, regulations, and standards?
c80e74f077 3y ago
Guess what, #1 is illegal in France: “Nul ne peut, dans l'espace public, porter une tenue destinée à dissimuler son visage”[0] (No one may, in the public space, wear clothing intended to conceal his face). Anti-facial recognition makeup should be fine, though. For the time being. [0] https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI000022912213 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/article_lc/LEGIARTI00002...
- 1letterunixname 3y ago
  Generally a question posed to French society: So is it illegal to wear Islamic clothing or be concerned with airborne spread of communicable disease?