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I intensely dislike them taking over as gatekeepers of the web. Perhaps because my browser is configured to resist fingerprinting and to avoid running arbitrary

I intensely dislike them taking over as gatekeepers of the web. Perhaps because my browser is configured to resist fingerprinting and to avoid running arbitrary scripts from random websites, it is very frequently blocked by Cloudflare. As one example, I can no longer browse the site for Lowe's (big box home improvement chain). Consequently, I now buy everything from Home Depot (their competitor). It's astonishing how Cloudflare can do such a poor job of determining the difference between a potential customer and an attacker. Life's too short to solve captchas for an intermediary, so I don't bother, I just find a competitor who wants my business.

travisjungroth 3y ago
> It's astonishing how Cloudflare can do such a poor job of determining the difference between a potential customer and an attacker. I don’t find that astonishing at all. I can’t see how you’d disambiguate someone who is anonymous for good versus bad reasons. Not supporting the death of the anonymous internet, but it’s not happening because of incompetence.
- tomwheeler 3y ago
  > I can’t see how you’d disambiguate someone who is anonymous for good versus bad reasons. One obvious clue would be that there are no attacks coming from my IP address.
- thaumaturgy 3y ago
  I don't think Cloudflare is immune to organizational incompetence even if a lot of brilliant people work there. I have similar intermittent problems as ~tomwheeler, despite a mostly unchanged residential IP and a browser configuration that's only a little bit defensive. My outsider's impression is that Cloudflare has decided to rely much more heavily on browser fingerprinting than on classifying good/bad network activity. That puts them at odds with anyone that's taken steps to oppose being monetized by advertising firms.
kokanee 3y ago
I think that both Cloudflare and the Lowe's stores of the world understand that these interventions have negative side effects. The problem is that leaving them out has even worse consequences, and no one has offered a sufficient alternative. Put another way, one could reason that they'd prefer to do business with Lowes because they are actively investing in security measures. Perhaps your data is more likely to be compromised at Home Depot.

travisjungroth 3y ago

> It's astonishing how Cloudflare can do such a poor job of determining the difference between a potential customer and an attacker. I don’t find that astonishing at all. I can’t see how you’d disambiguate someone who is anonymous for good versus bad reasons. Not supporting the death of the anonymous internet, but it’s not happening because of incompetence.

tomwheeler 3y ago
> I can’t see how you’d disambiguate someone who is anonymous for good versus bad reasons. One obvious clue would be that there are no attacks coming from my IP address.
thaumaturgy 3y ago
I don't think Cloudflare is immune to organizational incompetence even if a lot of brilliant people work there. I have similar intermittent problems as ~tomwheeler, despite a mostly unchanged residential IP and a browser configuration that's only a little bit defensive. My outsider's impression is that Cloudflare has decided to rely much more heavily on browser fingerprinting than on classifying good/bad network activity. That puts them at odds with anyone that's taken steps to oppose being monetized by advertising firms.

kokanee 3y ago

I think that both Cloudflare and the Lowe's stores of the world understand that these interventions have negative side effects. The problem is that leaving them out has even worse consequences, and no one has offered a sufficient alternative. Put another way, one could reason that they'd prefer to do business with Lowes because they are actively investing in security measures. Perhaps your data is more likely to be compromised at Home Depot.