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> In 2017, Democrats recognized it as a problem In 2016, Hillary beat Sanders by up to ~12% more than exit polls would have suggested in states without paper t
by mandmandam 4y ago
> In 2017, Democrats recognized it as a problem
In 2016, Hillary beat Sanders by up to ~12% more than exit polls would have suggested in states without paper trails. [0]
The fact that this only happened in states without paper trails raised some eyebrows among Sanders voters, but "Democrats" bent over backwards to explain how this was just a quirk, and 'probably the fault of Bernie Bros somehow anyway, who gives a shit about them, they're not Real Democrats TM'.
And then we stopped doing exit polls at all. Because apparently that's a sensible thing to do when there's no paper trail, and indications of systemic fraud - remove the only remaining tell-tale sign.
So, yeah - this is a problem, will continue to be a problem, and will be completely ignored by media unless it serves them to associate questioning voting machines with the far-right.
0 - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stanford-study-proves-election-fraud-through-exit-poll-discrepancies/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stanford-study-proves-elec...
- daveguy 4y agoThe paper is suspect at best. Your own link enumerates the problems. Also, there are many reasons why exit polls don't match votes. And they have to do with votes being anonymous and exit polls not being anonymous. Did you read your own link?
- mandmandam 4y agoYes, I read the link. I felt it was only right to allow the best of both sides to be heard on this one. "Suspect at best" is really not a fair takeaway, unless you're cherry-picking quotes at face value. Myself, I found the responses to the paper rely on bluster and don't hold much water at all. If you want to see the responses taken apart, with more on the abysmal state of voting machines and the untrustworthy sounding electoral folk responsible, you can read this: https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/16/clinton-does-best-where-voting-machines-flunk-hacking-tests-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-election-fraud-allegations/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/16/clinton-does-best-wh...