3 ms·

>> But companies that “crawl” Reddit for data and “don’t return any of that value” to users will have to pay up,” Reddit co-founder and CEO Steve Huffman told T

>> But companies that “crawl” Reddit for data and “don’t return any of that value” to users will have to pay up,” Reddit co-founder and CEO Steve Huffman told The Times. But they do return value to users. I'd much rather get my answer from a Chat-GPT query than scouring through Reddit. Maybe he meant that they're not returning value to Reddit in which case he'd be right, but I hate him trying to spin this for the users.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
E.g., the "remind me" bot uses Reddit's API and genuinely returns value to at least some of Reddit's users (unless it just plainly never reminds people). Comparing ChatGPT to things of that nature makes the difference more apparent to me.
kbelder 4y ago
>“don’t return any of that value” to users Notice that 'to users' was outside of the quote. That was an editorial addition.
- majormajor 4y ago
  In the original NY Times article there's this line: > “Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.” So it is "to users" but more specifically it's to our users. I would agree with Huffman here: crawling the data to build ChatGPT gives the value to ChatGPT users who aren't necessarily Reddit users, and by short-circuiting queries and processes that otherwise may have led to new Reddit users, it's taking value from all Reddit users.
kulahan 4y ago
ChatGPT having info from reddit does not help redditors, it helps ChatGPTers. You can't really say they're providing a service for reddit users.
- thomastjeffery 4y ago
  You also can't say that it isn't helping Reddit users, because the same person may use both platforms. So the question is: how significant is the union of those two sets?
deanCommie 4y ago
That makes you a ChatGPT user, not a Reddit user. Just because you want to use Reddit data, doesn't make it a Reddit user, does that make sense?

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago

E.g., the "remind me" bot uses Reddit's API and genuinely returns value to at least some of Reddit's users (unless it just plainly never reminds people). Comparing ChatGPT to things of that nature makes the difference more apparent to me.

kbelder 4y ago

>“don’t return any of that value” to users Notice that 'to users' was outside of the quote. That was an editorial addition.

majormajor 4y ago
In the original NY Times article there's this line: > “Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.” So it is "to users" but more specifically it's to our users. I would agree with Huffman here: crawling the data to build ChatGPT gives the value to ChatGPT users who aren't necessarily Reddit users, and by short-circuiting queries and processes that otherwise may have led to new Reddit users, it's taking value from all Reddit users.

kulahan 4y ago

ChatGPT having info from reddit does not help redditors, it helps ChatGPTers. You can't really say they're providing a service for reddit users.

thomastjeffery 4y ago
You also can't say that it isn't helping Reddit users, because the same person may use both platforms. So the question is: how significant is the union of those two sets?

deanCommie 4y ago

That makes you a ChatGPT user, not a Reddit user. Just because you want to use Reddit data, doesn't make it a Reddit user, does that make sense?