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> Building factories and qualification testing is literal progress. I get ~monthly emails about the progress being made manufacturing a chair I backed on a cro

> Building factories and qualification testing is literal progress. I get ~monthly emails about the progress being made manufacturing a chair I backed on a crowdfunding platform years ago. They constantly show great progress being made ("we finally have a factory lined up", "here's the final version of the legs", "we've begun mass production"). It feels like every one of these emails has a message about how they're going to start shipping chairs out to backers in the next couple months. This has been the case for several years now. I'm pretty skeptical I'll ever get the chair, as is basically everyone else who ordered it. I imagine the Cybertruck will eventually be released, but it sounds like it's now almost two years behind the originally announced release date. I think it matches the spirit of vaporware currently, just as Duke Nukem Forever did for over a decade. I think it's understandable that people would describe a delayed release from Tesla/Musk as vaporware given how their promises of "full self driving" have been going.

bottlepalm 4y ago
That's a great example because 90% of my driving is done by FSD beta. Clearly not vaporware. Tesla has released four car models and a semi truck, all delayed, all not vaporware. Yet you choose to relate CyberTruck to some crowdfunding project.
- dingosity 4y ago
  The CyberTruck is Vapor. It was announced, blew through it's original release date. Blew through it's updated release date. They claim they're going to do a prototype run of something like 1000 this summer. I'll believe it when I see it.
- rimunroe 4y ago
  I don’t know why it’s absurd to compare the Cybertruck (promised, delayed, not released yet) to that kickstarter (promised, delayed, not released yet). They’ve even been announced for similar lengths of time. As for “full self driving”, those cars are still not fully autonomous. That’s the whole problem that people object to. It doesn’t matter what you call it, but it’s certainly not fully self driving yet. They still routinely fuck up. Also, as I pointed out earlier, being released eventually does not mean it wasn’t right to consider something vaporware at some point (hence the example of Duke Nukem Forever).

bottlepalm 4y ago

That's a great example because 90% of my driving is done by FSD beta. Clearly not vaporware. Tesla has released four car models and a semi truck, all delayed, all not vaporware. Yet you choose to relate CyberTruck to some crowdfunding project.

dingosity 4y ago
The CyberTruck is Vapor. It was announced, blew through it's original release date. Blew through it's updated release date. They claim they're going to do a prototype run of something like 1000 this summer. I'll believe it when I see it.
rimunroe 4y ago
I don’t know why it’s absurd to compare the Cybertruck (promised, delayed, not released yet) to that kickstarter (promised, delayed, not released yet). They’ve even been announced for similar lengths of time. As for “full self driving”, those cars are still not fully autonomous. That’s the whole problem that people object to. It doesn’t matter what you call it, but it’s certainly not fully self driving yet. They still routinely fuck up. Also, as I pointed out earlier, being released eventually does not mean it wasn’t right to consider something vaporware at some point (hence the example of Duke Nukem Forever).