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This isn't "woke", this is just being an asshole. The term "woke" is supposed to be related to awareness of racial injustice and inequality. Not one group exer

This isn't "woke", this is just being an asshole. The term "woke" is supposed to be related to awareness of racial injustice and inequality. Not one group exercising prejudice and bias and against another based on ethnicity. Furthermore, this term has become a label associated with loaded language employed by the conservative right to vilify opposition. It is a reflexive control word and propaganda device to used to focus hatred and resentment from conservatives towards any aspect of culture or ideology contrary to their interests, regardless of it actual relevance to racial injustice. So when you start calling assholes "woke", I am not sure if you are conflating the meaning of it because you are a victim of this propaganda or if you are intentionally using the term to foster resentment against others. Either way, claiming that people "who are aware of racial injustice" direct hatred, resentment, and prejudice against others because of their race, age or gender is so blatantly contradictory that it is absurd.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
Being woke and being an asshole are not mutually exclusive. You can do both. As you say,The term "woke" is supposed to be related to awareness of racial injustice and inequality. What you do with that awareness is an entirely different question. If you use the fact that someone is part of privileged group as a justification for harming them, that makes you both woke and an asshole. >Either way, claiming that people "who are aware of racial injustice" direct hatred, resentment, and prejudice against others because of their race, age or gender is so blatantly contradictory that it is absurd. I don't think this is contradictory at all. Victims of abuse and Injustice are certainly capable of victimizing others and carrying out injustices of Their Own. The idea that a victim of racism, for example, can't also harbor racist prejudices themselves is laughable. History and the contemporary world are full of examples of people who are simultaneously victims and abusers.
- HybridCurve 4y ago
  You labeled them as 'woke' and then subsequently said they were demonstrating prejudice. The idea you may assert your opinion that they both have awareness and that they do not is your self-contradiction, not theirs. Claiming they are both is doublethink.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    I honestly don't understand where you think I said they don't have awareness. They obviously have awareness that privileges exist because they are accosting someone for having them. Where do I deny their awareness intimate doublethink? I can be aware and angry that someone hates me for my identity while simultaneously hating someone else for theirs. This does not negate my awareness of their identity. Do you think that being 'woke' (aware of racial injustice and inequality) means that a person is incapable of holding hate and biases of their own?
    - HybridCurve 4y ago
      The differentiation is based on which person is making the observation. >I can be aware and angry that someone hates me for my identity while simultaneously hating someone else for theirs. This does not negate my awareness of their identity This statement is correct because you would intimate and factual knowledge concerning the matter. >One woman started accosting him about entitlement, white privilege, male privilege, and refused to move. The scene went on for a while until he was able to reposition the car and barely drive by her brushing her with the car. To then further say that woman or those people are woke is not, because you do not have any intimate or factual knowledge of them to make the claim. It's like saying that you saw man in a firefighter jacket intentionally set fire to a building and run away and then said "That firefighter burned a building down." In reality, you only observed a man commit arson but had no idea of whether he was actually a firefighter despite what his clothing might have suggested. In the instance where the two things are contradictory, and you have one unknown, the assessment must be based on the known (they were assholes). You cannot claim both.
      - s1artibartfast 4y ago
        I see what you are saying, but disagree that it is unknown. They are verbally accosting him of having unequal racial privilege, which is direct factual evidence that they are "aware of racial injustice and inequality". What could possibly be stronger evidence of awareness then them verbally demonstrating it? Am I to think that the person shouting about someone having white male privilege verbatim is not aware that the concept of white male privilege exists? It is like saying that "a person who knows how to make fire burned a building down". The evidence is in the observation. >In the instance where the two things are contradictory, and you have one unknown, the assessment must be based on the known (they were assholes). You cannot claim both. Why would there be any contradiction? Being woke has no bearing on being an asshole or not.

s1artibartfast 4y ago

Being woke and being an asshole are not mutually exclusive. You can do both. As you say,The term "woke" is supposed to be related to awareness of racial injustice and inequality. What you do with that awareness is an entirely different question. If you use the fact that someone is part of privileged group as a justification for harming them, that makes you both woke and an asshole. >Either way, claiming that people "who are aware of racial injustice" direct hatred, resentment, and prejudice against others because of their race, age or gender is so blatantly contradictory that it is absurd. I don't think this is contradictory at all. Victims of abuse and Injustice are certainly capable of victimizing others and carrying out injustices of Their Own. The idea that a victim of racism, for example, can't also harbor racist prejudices themselves is laughable. History and the contemporary world are full of examples of people who are simultaneously victims and abusers.

HybridCurve 4y ago
You labeled them as 'woke' and then subsequently said they were demonstrating prejudice. The idea you may assert your opinion that they both have awareness and that they do not is your self-contradiction, not theirs. Claiming they are both is doublethink.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  I honestly don't understand where you think I said they don't have awareness. They obviously have awareness that privileges exist because they are accosting someone for having them. Where do I deny their awareness intimate doublethink? I can be aware and angry that someone hates me for my identity while simultaneously hating someone else for theirs. This does not negate my awareness of their identity. Do you think that being 'woke' (aware of racial injustice and inequality) means that a person is incapable of holding hate and biases of their own?
  - HybridCurve 4y ago
    The differentiation is based on which person is making the observation. >I can be aware and angry that someone hates me for my identity while simultaneously hating someone else for theirs. This does not negate my awareness of their identity This statement is correct because you would intimate and factual knowledge concerning the matter. >One woman started accosting him about entitlement, white privilege, male privilege, and refused to move. The scene went on for a while until he was able to reposition the car and barely drive by her brushing her with the car. To then further say that woman or those people are woke is not, because you do not have any intimate or factual knowledge of them to make the claim. It's like saying that you saw man in a firefighter jacket intentionally set fire to a building and run away and then said "That firefighter burned a building down." In reality, you only observed a man commit arson but had no idea of whether he was actually a firefighter despite what his clothing might have suggested. In the instance where the two things are contradictory, and you have one unknown, the assessment must be based on the known (they were assholes). You cannot claim both.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      I see what you are saying, but disagree that it is unknown. They are verbally accosting him of having unequal racial privilege, which is direct factual evidence that they are "aware of racial injustice and inequality". What could possibly be stronger evidence of awareness then them verbally demonstrating it? Am I to think that the person shouting about someone having white male privilege verbatim is not aware that the concept of white male privilege exists? It is like saying that "a person who knows how to make fire burned a building down". The evidence is in the observation. >In the instance where the two things are contradictory, and you have one unknown, the assessment must be based on the known (they were assholes). You cannot claim both. Why would there be any contradiction? Being woke has no bearing on being an asshole or not.