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I don't think Apple recurringly hounds you to sign in when you hit "Do it later" though. I read "Do it later" here as a subtle reminder that "the option is not

by dotty- 3y ago

I don't think Apple recurringly hounds you to sign in when you hit "Do it later" though. I read "Do it later" here as a subtle reminder that "the option is not gone. You can do it later on your own in your system settings if you want", as opposed to "ok we'll ask you again later unprompted :)"

tohnjitor 3y ago
my nearly 10 year old imac asks me daily to either install updates now, enable auto updates, or "remind me later" for software updates. apple doesn't even update anything for this OS anymore.
- thewebcount 3y ago
  This is stupid, but if I recall correctly, if you click the close box “x” in the upper left corner of the notification, it will stop asking, but if you say “remind me later” it continues to ask you. It is utterly infuriating that they use this dark pattern.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    Apple and unintuitive UI patterns, be they dark or otherwise. How many people have discovered macOS or iOS behaviors with accidental keypresses, swipes or gestures, or long holds on a button or ... bleh.
    - jwestbury 3y ago
      > How many people have discovered macOS or iOS behaviors with accidental keypresses, swipes or gestures, or long holds on a button or ... bleh. A similar number to those who have discovered them on Windows, I'd wager.
com2kid 3y ago
Everytime my BT headphones connect, Apple Music opens up. Own and iPhone and you are reminded quite often of the benefits of an iCloud subscription. Try setting up an iPhone w/o an apple account for that matter, or using an Android phone (that hasn't been de-googled) without a Google account. Not to mention, users expect their files to be with them everywhere. IMHO Microsoft should make OneDrive free with some obscene high file limit and default My Documents to it, and they should have done this back in the Windows XP days.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > using an Android phone (that hasn't been de-googled) without a Google account. This is still very doable (or, it was when I got a new phone a couple of years ago). It wasn't even hard to avoid using a Google account.
  - com2kid 3y ago
    > It wasn't even hard to avoid using a Google account. And then you launch any of the included apps. Chrome wants you to sign in, calendar wants you to sign in, photos wants you to sign in, not to mention Google photos pushes notifications ads trying to sell photo albums. The photo app will also try to sell you a premium subscription to store your photos online. The phone is very much designed to be used with a Google account, you can avoid it, but the experience is limited. Microsoft noticed that people liked having their photos automatically backed up and being able to share them with friends and family. Same goes for documents, being able to push a "share" button on a family finance planning Excel sheet is a lot easier than emailing it around. There is a lot of crap in the start menu that needs to be removed, and the constant attempts to change the default browser to Edge needs to stop, but "please backup your documents so you don't get all angry at us when your HD dies" is not what I'd call an intrusive ad.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      > And then you launch any of the included apps. Chrome wants you to sign in, calendar wants you to sign in, photos wants you to sign in, not to mention Google photos pushes notifications ads trying to sell photo albums. Yes, if you're going to use those apps, you may as well sign in with a Google account. I don't use them, though. There are plenty of better alternatives to all of them. > The phone is very much designed to be used with a Google account, you can avoid it, but the experience is limited. No, it's really not limited. It does take a little more setup to install the apps you want, though.
    - johnisgood 3y ago
      There are alternatives to all of those apps from F-Droid. I have stock Android, and it works just fine without logging into a Google account.
devmor 3y ago
Its not as bad as windows, but it will constantly give you a badge on the settings app to notify you that you didn't finish setting up siri.
- Twisell 3y ago
  Nope just click on the notification to start the setup then decline by opting for "do it latter" poof notification badge is gone. It might popup again after major update if there are "new features" but the same step will dismiss the badge/notif.
soraminazuki 3y ago
Not to mention that it's also easy to skip. I had Windows 10 on my spare machines, and never have I seen an OS that showed so much level of contempt towards its users. Every OS update forces me to go through pages and pages of privacy invading settings before letting me use my own computer again. Each time the UI for those settings change with fresh new additions of dark patterns. Each of those settings must be carefully disabled or I'll end up with a key logger on my system. It's not done even after it shows me the desktop either, proceeding to add Edge to the desktop, taskbar, and the default browser settings, all without even asking. No other OS comes even close in terms of hostility.
pedalpete 3y ago
I definitely get hit with a "sign in to siri" on a regular basis. The iPhone I use is a dev phone, I don't need all of the iCloud, etc services. So I suspect that anybody who says "Do it later" will be hounded just like I am.
megablast 3y ago
It constantly asks you to sign up to icloud, and makes it difficult to refuse. Fuck apple too.
FireBeyond 3y ago
The big red circle on the System Settings app because I've not configured iCloud or similar begs to disagree. It's not a model dialog, but it is a call to action that doesn't go away.
rendaw 3y ago
I have an iPad I use for reading books (1 app). Every time I wake it up on I have to click through 4 login promts (that interrupt each other, so I have to watch the animation of them appearing and disappearing twice). Maybe the desktop doesn't do this _yet_?

by dotty- 3y ago

tohnjitor 3y ago

my nearly 10 year old imac asks me daily to either install updates now, enable auto updates, or "remind me later" for software updates. apple doesn't even update anything for this OS anymore.

thewebcount 3y ago
This is stupid, but if I recall correctly, if you click the close box “x” in the upper left corner of the notification, it will stop asking, but if you say “remind me later” it continues to ask you. It is utterly infuriating that they use this dark pattern.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Apple and unintuitive UI patterns, be they dark or otherwise. How many people have discovered macOS or iOS behaviors with accidental keypresses, swipes or gestures, or long holds on a button or ... bleh.
  - jwestbury 3y ago
    > How many people have discovered macOS or iOS behaviors with accidental keypresses, swipes or gestures, or long holds on a button or ... bleh. A similar number to those who have discovered them on Windows, I'd wager.

com2kid 3y ago

Everytime my BT headphones connect, Apple Music opens up. Own and iPhone and you are reminded quite often of the benefits of an iCloud subscription. Try setting up an iPhone w/o an apple account for that matter, or using an Android phone (that hasn't been de-googled) without a Google account. Not to mention, users expect their files to be with them everywhere. IMHO Microsoft should make OneDrive free with some obscene high file limit and default My Documents to it, and they should have done this back in the Windows XP days.

JohnFen 3y ago
> using an Android phone (that hasn't been de-googled) without a Google account. This is still very doable (or, it was when I got a new phone a couple of years ago). It wasn't even hard to avoid using a Google account.
- com2kid 3y ago
  > It wasn't even hard to avoid using a Google account. And then you launch any of the included apps. Chrome wants you to sign in, calendar wants you to sign in, photos wants you to sign in, not to mention Google photos pushes notifications ads trying to sell photo albums. The photo app will also try to sell you a premium subscription to store your photos online. The phone is very much designed to be used with a Google account, you can avoid it, but the experience is limited. Microsoft noticed that people liked having their photos automatically backed up and being able to share them with friends and family. Same goes for documents, being able to push a "share" button on a family finance planning Excel sheet is a lot easier than emailing it around. There is a lot of crap in the start menu that needs to be removed, and the constant attempts to change the default browser to Edge needs to stop, but "please backup your documents so you don't get all angry at us when your HD dies" is not what I'd call an intrusive ad.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > And then you launch any of the included apps. Chrome wants you to sign in, calendar wants you to sign in, photos wants you to sign in, not to mention Google photos pushes notifications ads trying to sell photo albums. Yes, if you're going to use those apps, you may as well sign in with a Google account. I don't use them, though. There are plenty of better alternatives to all of them. > The phone is very much designed to be used with a Google account, you can avoid it, but the experience is limited. No, it's really not limited. It does take a little more setup to install the apps you want, though.
  - johnisgood 3y ago
    There are alternatives to all of those apps from F-Droid. I have stock Android, and it works just fine without logging into a Google account.

devmor 3y ago

Its not as bad as windows, but it will constantly give you a badge on the settings app to notify you that you didn't finish setting up siri.

Twisell 3y ago
Nope just click on the notification to start the setup then decline by opting for "do it latter" poof notification badge is gone. It might popup again after major update if there are "new features" but the same step will dismiss the badge/notif.

soraminazuki 3y ago

Not to mention that it's also easy to skip. I had Windows 10 on my spare machines, and never have I seen an OS that showed so much level of contempt towards its users. Every OS update forces me to go through pages and pages of privacy invading settings before letting me use my own computer again. Each time the UI for those settings change with fresh new additions of dark patterns. Each of those settings must be carefully disabled or I'll end up with a key logger on my system. It's not done even after it shows me the desktop either, proceeding to add Edge to the desktop, taskbar, and the default browser settings, all without even asking. No other OS comes even close in terms of hostility.

pedalpete 3y ago

I definitely get hit with a "sign in to siri" on a regular basis. The iPhone I use is a dev phone, I don't need all of the iCloud, etc services. So I suspect that anybody who says "Do it later" will be hounded just like I am.

megablast 3y ago

It constantly asks you to sign up to icloud, and makes it difficult to refuse. Fuck apple too.

FireBeyond 3y ago

The big red circle on the System Settings app because I've not configured iCloud or similar begs to disagree. It's not a model dialog, but it is a call to action that doesn't go away.

rendaw 3y ago

I have an iPad I use for reading books (1 app). Every time I wake it up on I have to click through 4 login promts (that interrupt each other, so I have to watch the animation of them appearing and disappearing twice). Maybe the desktop doesn't do this _yet_?