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I guarantee that it can be useful on a day to day, brass tacks basis. More useful than 9 most mental models.

by cm2012 4y ago

gregjor 4y ago
For the sake of argument let’s assume M-B measures or reveals something useful. How can you use that information “day to day, brass tracks?” You would have to know the M-B results of other people, and assume they told you honestly. Since a person can get different results from M-B across multiple trials, and M-B doesn’t predict anything, I don’t see how you can call it useful. Maybe you can explain instead of just disagreeing.
- cm2012 4y ago
  I'm surprised you're willing to engage, but since you are, happy to! Basically there's only 4 variables for Myers-Briggs. It's so simple I can accurately type someone after talking to them for a couple of minutes. Here's a breakdown: Extraverted (E) vs Introverted (I) “E” generally means gaining energy from other people, while “I” means people drain your batteries. This one is not always immediately obvious for people. In general "E"s talk more when with groups of people and "I"s think more. Sensing (S) vs Intuiting (N) This is about how you process new information. S people see what's actually in front of them - they think and talk more in specifics. In general, S types are better at detail oriented work. N types intuit things, so they sometimes aren't great at focusing at what's in front of them, but are great at coming up with ideas and next steps based on what they see. I am a typical N - not great with details, but better at abstractions compared to the average person. Feeling (F) vs Thinking (T) Everyone feels and everyone thinks. A good way to judge this is people's reactions to situations. Feelers react with empathy first, thinkers react with problem solving first. Very basic example: Your friend comes in with their arm bleeding. Is your very first reaction? "Oh no! What happened?" - Feeler "You should go to the hospital!" or "Let me get something to wrap that", etc etc. In general feelers are more likely to feel empathy for someone, even if they think they are dead wrong or disagree with them. Judging (J) vs Perceiving (P) This is about how you make decisions. And it has nothing to do with the dictionary definitions of judging and perceiving. Some defining traits of Js: Achieving the goal is more important than the process. You are comfortable making decisions with limited information. For Ps: Being true to your moral system is more important than achieving the goal. You prefer to collect more information before making decisions. The side effect of these two things means Js tend to have steadier lives with more commitment, while Ps tend to have a broader range of experiences and a bigger variety of life experiences. --- In practice: Even though its just 4 variables, 90% of people alive fit comfortably into their personality bucket. I had a new boss at my company. After talking to him, I internally guessed at his type (ESTJ), then asked him if he ever took a Myers-Briggs test. He said yes, he got ESTJ but didn't really know what to do with that info. ESTJ is the same as my type but with S instead of N. So the big practical difference between me and my new boss is that I start thinking with abstractions/big picture, while he starts thinking with nuts and bolts details. In my reporting I make sure I include plenty of specific details and reasoning to back up statements, which he really responds well to and digs into. I could talk about this for hours but I'm not sure anyone will read it anyway. In any case this is just scratching the surface of how I get use out of the framework.

I guarantee that it can be useful on a day to day, brass tacks basis. More useful than 9 most mental models.

by cm2012 4y ago

I guarantee that it can be useful on a day to day, brass tacks basis. More useful than 9 most mental models.

For the sake of argument let’s assume M-B measures or reveals something useful. How can you use that information “day to day, brass tracks?” You would have to know the M-B results of other people, and assume they told you honestly. Since a person can get different results from M-B across multiple trials, and M-B doesn’t predict anything, I don’t see how you can call it useful. Maybe you can explain instead of just disagreeing.

cm2012 4y ago
I'm surprised you're willing to engage, but since you are, happy to! Basically there's only 4 variables for Myers-Briggs. It's so simple I can accurately type someone after talking to them for a couple of minutes. Here's a breakdown: Extraverted (E) vs Introverted (I) “E” generally means gaining energy from other people, while “I” means people drain your batteries. This one is not always immediately obvious for people. In general "E"s talk more when with groups of people and "I"s think more. Sensing (S) vs Intuiting (N) This is about how you process new information. S people see what's actually in front of them - they think and talk more in specifics. In general, S types are better at detail oriented work. N types intuit things, so they sometimes aren't great at focusing at what's in front of them, but are great at coming up with ideas and next steps based on what they see. I am a typical N - not great with details, but better at abstractions compared to the average person. Feeling (F) vs Thinking (T) Everyone feels and everyone thinks. A good way to judge this is people's reactions to situations. Feelers react with empathy first, thinkers react with problem solving first. Very basic example: Your friend comes in with their arm bleeding. Is your very first reaction? "Oh no! What happened?" - Feeler "You should go to the hospital!" or "Let me get something to wrap that", etc etc. In general feelers are more likely to feel empathy for someone, even if they think they are dead wrong or disagree with them. Judging (J) vs Perceiving (P) This is about how you make decisions. And it has nothing to do with the dictionary definitions of judging and perceiving. Some defining traits of Js: Achieving the goal is more important than the process. You are comfortable making decisions with limited information. For Ps: Being true to your moral system is more important than achieving the goal. You prefer to collect more information before making decisions. The side effect of these two things means Js tend to have steadier lives with more commitment, while Ps tend to have a broader range of experiences and a bigger variety of life experiences. --- In practice: Even though its just 4 variables, 90% of people alive fit comfortably into their personality bucket. I had a new boss at my company. After talking to him, I internally guessed at his type (ESTJ), then asked him if he ever took a Myers-Briggs test. He said yes, he got ESTJ but didn't really know what to do with that info. ESTJ is the same as my type but with S instead of N. So the big practical difference between me and my new boss is that I start thinking with abstractions/big picture, while he starts thinking with nuts and bolts details. In my reporting I make sure I include plenty of specific details and reasoning to back up statements, which he really responds well to and digs into. I could talk about this for hours but I'm not sure anyone will read it anyway. In any case this is just scratching the surface of how I get use out of the framework.