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But even CO2 producing cars, have you ever heard of a gas-powered leaf blower or chainsaw? Even though efficiency has improved, in 2016 California reported that

But even CO2 producing cars, have you ever heard of a gas-powered leaf blower or chainsaw? Even though efficiency has improved, in 2016 California reported that just 1 hour of a gas-powered leaf blower was the equivalent of taking a Camry from LA to Denver. You aren't going to motivate people to be better for the environment (by, say, buying a more expensive 40MPG vehicle instead of a 35MPG one), when it can so easily be wiped away by a guy just leaving a tool on for a few minutes more. Same situation with banning straws - nobody cares about the 1.6 billion masks in the ocean now (literally).

jonas21 4y ago
Can you cite your source on the leaf blower thing? I'm guessing they're talking about air quality, not CO2 emissions. Obviously, nobody's feeding their leaf blower 40 gallons of gas per hour.
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/13/its-time-to-ban-gas-powered-landscaping-equipment/ https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/13/its-time-to-ban-gas-pow... Air Quality, yes; but I will admit CO2 is not compared.
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  - function_seven 4y ago
    To determine CO2, you can just look at the amount of fuel consumed. That'll get you close enough. A leaf-blower running for one hour will burn roughly 1/2 gal. of fuel. A 40mpg car going from LA to Denver will burn about 25 gallons of fuel. That car trip will generate around 50 times as much CO2 as the blower
    - sbaiddn 4y ago
      Pretty darn close! It should be well within 90% of the right answer. For a car probably about 99.9%
calt 4y ago
> 1 hour of a gas-powered leaf blower was the equivalent of taking a Camry from LA to Denver Maybe in terms of particulate pollution, but in terms of CO2 that's absolutely unimaginable.
- throwawayf37jg 4y ago
  NOx might be the bulk of it.
  - sbaiddn 4y ago
    Naw, volatile organics. Compression ratio isn't great on these things since half the time the gas is terrible -> no pressure, no NOx But they are two stroke so a little but of gas and oil leak out on every stroke.
hannob 4y ago
> Even though efficiency has improved, in 2016 California reported that just 1 hour of a gas-powered leaf blower was the equivalent of taking a Camry from LA to Denver. That sounds like nonsense. (FWIW I support banning gas-powered leaf blowers. But your claim is still bogus.)
- sbaiddn 4y ago
  It is bogus, because the OP talks about "efficiency" therefore implying CO2 emissions (since energy is the product of making CO2). The OP has confounded the CO2 emissions and volatiles. Where leaf blowers' emission fall apart is volatile organics. Why do you support banning gas powered landscaping equipment? In cities like LA, sure. But how are utilities going to maintain brush around remote power lines without gas powered equipment?
roarcher 4y ago
> Even though efficiency has improved, in 2016 California reported that just 1 hour of a gas-powered leaf blower was the equivalent of taking a Camry from LA to Denver. That cannot possibly be true. That's a 16 hour drive through 1000 miles of mountainous terrain, requiring multiple tanks of gas, vs an hour of a small two-stroke engine spinning a little turbine.
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  According to the California Air Resources Board (CARB), it's true (except for CO2). https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-sheets/sore-small-engine-fact-sheet https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-sheets/sore-small-engi... @roarcher: They still emit lots of CO2 due to decreased efficiency, but the numbers aren't compared (so I'm not sure what they are), which I apologize for as I got CO2 confused with the other several gases being compared.
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  - roarcher 4y ago
    > except for CO2 Considering this entire thread is only about CO2, not air quality, perhaps that would have been worth mentioning in your original comment.
  - aksss 4y ago
    A leaf blower is about 11 lbs of CO2 per hour of use.[1] A car produces about a pound per mile. Let’s say that is +- 30% depending on variables of trip. [1] https://www.quietcleanpdx.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Gas-Powered-Leaf-Blower-Emissions-Factsheet-11.12.pdf https://www.quietcleanpdx.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Gas...
    - roarcher 4y ago
      "per hour" vs "per mile" is an odd comparison. A car probably travels 60 miles in that hour.
sbaiddn 4y ago
NOT CO2 emissions Its worse in volatile organics, particulates and NOx. Mostly volatile organics due to the two stroke cycle. But not because a chainsaw is particularly bad, but because a Camry is exceptionally good. Why is the Camry good? Because it has a four stroke, fuel injected, computer controlled engine and $300 of catalysts breaking everything down. The smoke of the Camry's emissions is water condensing out.
- danans 4y ago
  > The smoke of the Camry's emissions is water condensing out. Not just water. A lot of CO, CO2, particulates and NOx are also emitted, especially at lower engine temperatures. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0269749121009027 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02697...
  - sbaiddn 4y ago
    I was referring to smoke specifically the visually imposing clouds car produce which forms our image of car emissions. Of what you listed, only particulates add to the smokiness of a modern engine and then only when its cold. Unless its broken.
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jonas21 4y ago

Can you cite your source on the leaf blower thing? I'm guessing they're talking about air quality, not CO2 emissions. Obviously, nobody's feeding their leaf blower 40 gallons of gas per hour.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/13/its-time-to-ban-gas-powered-landscaping-equipment/ https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/13/its-time-to-ban-gas-pow... Air Quality, yes; but I will admit CO2 is not compared.
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- function_seven 4y ago
  To determine CO2, you can just look at the amount of fuel consumed. That'll get you close enough. A leaf-blower running for one hour will burn roughly 1/2 gal. of fuel. A 40mpg car going from LA to Denver will burn about 25 gallons of fuel. That car trip will generate around 50 times as much CO2 as the blower
  - sbaiddn 4y ago
    Pretty darn close! It should be well within 90% of the right answer. For a car probably about 99.9%

calt 4y ago

> 1 hour of a gas-powered leaf blower was the equivalent of taking a Camry from LA to Denver Maybe in terms of particulate pollution, but in terms of CO2 that's absolutely unimaginable.

throwawayf37jg 4y ago
NOx might be the bulk of it.
- sbaiddn 4y ago
  Naw, volatile organics. Compression ratio isn't great on these things since half the time the gas is terrible -> no pressure, no NOx But they are two stroke so a little but of gas and oil leak out on every stroke.

hannob 4y ago

> Even though efficiency has improved, in 2016 California reported that just 1 hour of a gas-powered leaf blower was the equivalent of taking a Camry from LA to Denver. That sounds like nonsense. (FWIW I support banning gas-powered leaf blowers. But your claim is still bogus.)

sbaiddn 4y ago
It is bogus, because the OP talks about "efficiency" therefore implying CO2 emissions (since energy is the product of making CO2). The OP has confounded the CO2 emissions and volatiles. Where leaf blowers' emission fall apart is volatile organics. Why do you support banning gas powered landscaping equipment? In cities like LA, sure. But how are utilities going to maintain brush around remote power lines without gas powered equipment?

roarcher 4y ago

> Even though efficiency has improved, in 2016 California reported that just 1 hour of a gas-powered leaf blower was the equivalent of taking a Camry from LA to Denver. That cannot possibly be true. That's a 16 hour drive through 1000 miles of mountainous terrain, requiring multiple tanks of gas, vs an hour of a small two-stroke engine spinning a little turbine.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
According to the California Air Resources Board (CARB), it's true (except for CO2). https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-sheets/sore-small-engine-fact-sheet https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-sheets/sore-small-engi... @roarcher: They still emit lots of CO2 due to decreased efficiency, but the numbers aren't compared (so I'm not sure what they are), which I apologize for as I got CO2 confused with the other several gases being compared.
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- roarcher 4y ago
  > except for CO2 Considering this entire thread is only about CO2, not air quality, perhaps that would have been worth mentioning in your original comment.
- aksss 4y ago
  A leaf blower is about 11 lbs of CO2 per hour of use.[1] A car produces about a pound per mile. Let’s say that is +- 30% depending on variables of trip. [1] https://www.quietcleanpdx.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Gas-Powered-Leaf-Blower-Emissions-Factsheet-11.12.pdf https://www.quietcleanpdx.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Gas...
  - roarcher 4y ago
    "per hour" vs "per mile" is an odd comparison. A car probably travels 60 miles in that hour.

sbaiddn 4y ago

NOT CO2 emissions Its worse in volatile organics, particulates and NOx. Mostly volatile organics due to the two stroke cycle. But not because a chainsaw is particularly bad, but because a Camry is exceptionally good. Why is the Camry good? Because it has a four stroke, fuel injected, computer controlled engine and $300 of catalysts breaking everything down. The smoke of the Camry's emissions is water condensing out.

danans 4y ago
> The smoke of the Camry's emissions is water condensing out. Not just water. A lot of CO, CO2, particulates and NOx are also emitted, especially at lower engine temperatures. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0269749121009027 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02697...
- sbaiddn 4y ago
  I was referring to smoke specifically the visually imposing clouds car produce which forms our image of car emissions. Of what you listed, only particulates add to the smokiness of a modern engine and then only when its cold. Unless its broken.

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