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Looks like C++ Builder is still available. Its way expensive and the licensing for community edition is very prohibitive...if you make more than 5k or you have

Looks like C++ Builder is still available. Its way expensive and the licensing for community edition is very prohibitive...if you make more than 5k or you have more than 5 people on your team you need to pay up. And you practically need to sell a kidney to afford it. That sucks because this IDE looks really neat, but its def not worth the money in my opinion unless you are a larger company already Community edition: https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder/starter https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder/starter Professional https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder

jart 3y ago
Is $500/year really the going rate for a kidney? That's like the price to rent some GPUs for an overnight training job. I think it's perfectly reasonable that Embarcadero makes their software free to use until it's helped you earn at least 10x that much revenue, on top of it being a flat rate. Most companies just divide their offerings into strictly commercial / non-commercial.
- neverartful 3y ago
  There are 4 different editions. $500/year is the cheapest of those 4 editions. https://www.embarcadero.com/app-development-tools-store/cbuilder https://www.embarcadero.com/app-development-tools-store/cbui...
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- danjoredd 3y ago
  If you make 5k 500 is 1/10 of your yearly income. That is a pretty big amount, especially when you take out taxes and operating expenses. Thats why I said it isn't worth it UNTIL you are a bigger business.
  - looping__lui 3y ago
    Well, as a beekeeper if you wanna sell some honey you need to buy some bees first, no? You’d probably spend more money getting tools and equipment for a one-person neighborhood lawn mowing business…
zerr 3y ago
They have abandoned community editions - it is several years behind the pro edition, broken on high-DPI monitors, no code-completion/navigation. No plans to release a new version.
- danjoredd 3y ago
  Doesn't sound like a winning strategy long-term. From other comments it sounds like they are focusing entirely on customers that are already locked in with them. Eventually though, those customers are either going to go out of business as all businesses eventually do, or they are going to have to move on to other tools eventually. If community edition is never updated, IDK how they can expect to grow or gain new customers. Thats why Visual Studio updates their community edition so often, because that helps people get familiar with the tools and companies are more likely to adopt them.
  - tonyedgecombe 3y ago
    >If community edition is never updated, IDK how they can expect to grow or gain new customers. They don't. The business model is to milk existing customers for all they have got.
Kwpolska 3y ago
Good tools come with a price, and that applies to all industries, not just programming. The most comparable offering would be Microsoft Visual Studio: free up to 5 users for smaller companies. If you have more than 5 users, it’s $45/user/month (for the cheaper Professional edition, but it would be good enough for most). And if you’ve got >250 PCs or >$1M in annual revenue, the 5 free users do not apply. https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/pricing/?tab=business https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/pricing/?tab=business https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Visual-Studio-Licensing-Whitepaper-Aug-2020.pdf https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/0...
- criddell 3y ago
  Or you can just buy it for $500 (for the professional edition) and not worry about a subscription.

jart 3y ago

Is $500/year really the going rate for a kidney? That's like the price to rent some GPUs for an overnight training job. I think it's perfectly reasonable that Embarcadero makes their software free to use until it's helped you earn at least 10x that much revenue, on top of it being a flat rate. Most companies just divide their offerings into strictly commercial / non-commercial.

neverartful 3y ago
There are 4 different editions. $500/year is the cheapest of those 4 editions. https://www.embarcadero.com/app-development-tools-store/cbuilder https://www.embarcadero.com/app-development-tools-store/cbui...
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danjoredd 3y ago
If you make 5k 500 is 1/10 of your yearly income. That is a pretty big amount, especially when you take out taxes and operating expenses. Thats why I said it isn't worth it UNTIL you are a bigger business.
- looping__lui 3y ago
  Well, as a beekeeper if you wanna sell some honey you need to buy some bees first, no? You’d probably spend more money getting tools and equipment for a one-person neighborhood lawn mowing business…

zerr 3y ago

They have abandoned community editions - it is several years behind the pro edition, broken on high-DPI monitors, no code-completion/navigation. No plans to release a new version.

danjoredd 3y ago
Doesn't sound like a winning strategy long-term. From other comments it sounds like they are focusing entirely on customers that are already locked in with them. Eventually though, those customers are either going to go out of business as all businesses eventually do, or they are going to have to move on to other tools eventually. If community edition is never updated, IDK how they can expect to grow or gain new customers. Thats why Visual Studio updates their community edition so often, because that helps people get familiar with the tools and companies are more likely to adopt them.
- tonyedgecombe 3y ago
  >If community edition is never updated, IDK how they can expect to grow or gain new customers. They don't. The business model is to milk existing customers for all they have got.

Kwpolska 3y ago

Good tools come with a price, and that applies to all industries, not just programming. The most comparable offering would be Microsoft Visual Studio: free up to 5 users for smaller companies. If you have more than 5 users, it’s $45/user/month (for the cheaper Professional edition, but it would be good enough for most). And if you’ve got >250 PCs or >$1M in annual revenue, the 5 free users do not apply. https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/pricing/?tab=business https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/pricing/?tab=business https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Visual-Studio-Licensing-Whitepaper-Aug-2020.pdf https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/0...

criddell 3y ago
Or you can just buy it for $500 (for the professional edition) and not worry about a subscription.