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> ads in the core user interface in iOS I have never seen any ads anywhere in iOS. I'm utterly confused by this comment?

Marsymars 3y ago
I consider the App Store in iOS part of the core user interface. (As mentioned in my top-level comment, apps can't be installed or manually updated without using the App Store.) See https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/22/apple-announces-more-app-store-ads/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/22/apple-announces-more-ap...
- quenix 3y ago
  That seems a bit unreasonable 1. The App Store is not a "core UI element"; 2. Even if it was, it's reasonable to see ads in a _store_. It's somewhere you go specifically in order to buy things and see companies' offerings. It's in the name -- a store. Like others have pointed out, no other portions of the OOB experience have ads.
  - Marsymars 3y ago
    Those points are both matters of opinion, with which I do not agree. (The first one doesn't particularly matter, because I'm forced to use the iOS App Store regardless of how you classify it, the second of which I forcefully disagree with - I am opposed to any ads that I cannot opt out of seeing. I don't go to the store to see ads, I go to download exactly the apps I want, and to update apps I already have installed - in both of those situations ads are unavoidable.) (And other portions of the OOB experience do have ads - as noted in my link, both the News and Stock apps, although I don't use either. And apparently soon the Maps app if it doesn't have ads already.)
    - antiframe 3y ago
      So in your opinion seeing an advertisement for an app on an app store is much worse than seeing an ad in your app launcher UI that you click on every time you go to launch an app?
      - Marsymars 3y ago
        Devoid of additional context, the latter would be worse, but in this context, I cannot avoid the former while using iOS, while I pretty easily avoid the latter while using Windows. (At least, to date. I don't run preview/insider builds of Windows.) Maybe there's some MDM that can be practically used to manage personal/household iOS app installs without the App Store? Happy to take suggestions there.
- orev 3y ago
  You don’t get to change the definition of words just because it fits your argument better. App Store is not the core user interface , it’s a separate app. There’s no reason to go into the iOS App Store unless you want to install something new. Updates are installed automatically so you never need to see those ads. Core user interface would be things like the Home Screen, Settings icon, etc. (and yes, the badges in Settings do qualify as ads and that would have been a stronger argument). You could also argue about all the fake apps in the store, etc., but again that’s not part of the core OS, which is the topic here. There are certainly things to complain about on iOS, but in this case you’re just inventing a non-issue.
  - Marsymars 3y ago
    I find this response kind of puzzling. I'm telling you about my subjective use of iOS. As far as I'm concerned, the App Store is a core part of iOS. iOS isn't a useful OS without the App Store. I can't install apps or manually update them without seeing ads. It's not really a matter of definitions, it's simply a matter of how I use iOS. I've prefaced all my comments on this subject by pointing out that I'm describing my experience. And in my experience, despite my best effort to avoid ads, I'm forced to see more (and lower quality) ads on iOS than I am on Windows.
    - pupppet 3y ago
      It completely makes sense to find ads for apps in the App Store.
      - 7jjjjjjj 3y ago
        I don't see ads in F-droid, so clearly it doesn't make that much sense.
      - Marsymars 3y ago
        Sure, it makes sense. They’re still intrusive, unavoidable, unwanted, and make the experience worse. It would also “make sense” for “sudo apt install firefox” to show me an Google-sponsored ad to instead consider Chrome.

Marsymars 3y ago

I consider the App Store in iOS part of the core user interface. (As mentioned in my top-level comment, apps can't be installed or manually updated without using the App Store.) See https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/22/apple-announces-more-app-store-ads/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/22/apple-announces-more-ap...

quenix 3y ago
That seems a bit unreasonable 1. The App Store is not a "core UI element"; 2. Even if it was, it's reasonable to see ads in a _store_. It's somewhere you go specifically in order to buy things and see companies' offerings. It's in the name -- a store. Like others have pointed out, no other portions of the OOB experience have ads.
- Marsymars 3y ago
  Those points are both matters of opinion, with which I do not agree. (The first one doesn't particularly matter, because I'm forced to use the iOS App Store regardless of how you classify it, the second of which I forcefully disagree with - I am opposed to any ads that I cannot opt out of seeing. I don't go to the store to see ads, I go to download exactly the apps I want, and to update apps I already have installed - in both of those situations ads are unavoidable.) (And other portions of the OOB experience do have ads - as noted in my link, both the News and Stock apps, although I don't use either. And apparently soon the Maps app if it doesn't have ads already.)
  - antiframe 3y ago
    So in your opinion seeing an advertisement for an app on an app store is much worse than seeing an ad in your app launcher UI that you click on every time you go to launch an app?
    - Marsymars 3y ago
      Devoid of additional context, the latter would be worse, but in this context, I cannot avoid the former while using iOS, while I pretty easily avoid the latter while using Windows. (At least, to date. I don't run preview/insider builds of Windows.) Maybe there's some MDM that can be practically used to manage personal/household iOS app installs without the App Store? Happy to take suggestions there.
orev 3y ago
You don’t get to change the definition of words just because it fits your argument better. App Store is not the core user interface , it’s a separate app. There’s no reason to go into the iOS App Store unless you want to install something new. Updates are installed automatically so you never need to see those ads. Core user interface would be things like the Home Screen, Settings icon, etc. (and yes, the badges in Settings do qualify as ads and that would have been a stronger argument). You could also argue about all the fake apps in the store, etc., but again that’s not part of the core OS, which is the topic here. There are certainly things to complain about on iOS, but in this case you’re just inventing a non-issue.
- Marsymars 3y ago
  I find this response kind of puzzling. I'm telling you about my subjective use of iOS. As far as I'm concerned, the App Store is a core part of iOS. iOS isn't a useful OS without the App Store. I can't install apps or manually update them without seeing ads. It's not really a matter of definitions, it's simply a matter of how I use iOS. I've prefaced all my comments on this subject by pointing out that I'm describing my experience. And in my experience, despite my best effort to avoid ads, I'm forced to see more (and lower quality) ads on iOS than I am on Windows.
  - pupppet 3y ago
    It completely makes sense to find ads for apps in the App Store.
    - 7jjjjjjj 3y ago
      I don't see ads in F-droid, so clearly it doesn't make that much sense.
    - Marsymars 3y ago
      Sure, it makes sense. They’re still intrusive, unavoidable, unwanted, and make the experience worse. It would also “make sense” for “sudo apt install firefox” to show me an Google-sponsored ad to instead consider Chrome.