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Right. If you are building something truly valuable locally, and it is innovative or otherwise disruptive and relies on being a first mover, centrally hosted L

Right. If you are building something truly valuable locally, and it is innovative or otherwise disruptive and relies on being a first mover, centrally hosted LLMs are a non-starter. Most software corps have countless millions of lines of code. You'd be spending lifetimes tracing where someone ripped your "copyrighted" techniques and methods. The complete lack of security awareness and willingness to compromise privacy for convenience in people deeply saddens me.

koonsolo 3y ago
> willingness to compromise privacy for convenience I have to ask: do you carry a cellphone?
- survirtual 3y ago
  This is not really a valid comparison. The cellphone is not a compromise for convenience. It allows me to make a living, providing internet connectivity and lets me keep in contact with friends and family. Without it, my freedoms would be drastically diminished. With software we develop with, we have choices. We can use OSS. We can try to use open hardware. If we are working on sensitive things, we can use an airgapped system with vim. When you practice these kinds of routines, they are not a burden. Actually, using vim instead of something like vscode increases productivity eventually. It does take a little bit of time. When we couple our productivity with centrally hosted services, we greatly diminish our freedom to be productive on a wide range of problem areas. I don't say this to brag, it is to maximize all of our freedom. In my view, most of us SHOULD be working on "sensitive" things. There is so, so much work to be done for the cause of freedom and liberty in software. We need to reserve that capability in us, we cannot let nameless people have an inside access to our expression.
  - koonsolo 3y ago
    A cellphone literally tracks your every move. If that's not a privacy concern then I don't know what is. Maybe a device with a microphone that's constantly on you. Oh no wait, that's also a cellphone. I was born in the 70's, and I can tell you, you can survive just fine without a cellphone. All of what you describe can be done on a desktop. But hey, if you want to compromise your privacy for some convenience, that's your choice.
    - survirtual 3y ago
      Are you going to carry your desktop into the forest on a hammock and work? How about on a plane to other countries? Will you carry your desktop in your car while living on the road? In the middle of forests and on top of mountains? Will you work from a campsite with your desktop while not connected to the internet? Can you have a meeting via your desktop from a rocky beach and no internet service? A cellphone can't track what I type on my laptop, and it can't read encrypted comms my laptop makes to remote systems. I can put a cellphone in a distant location and use a portable, open source router with a VPN on the router, with encrypted, private DNS. Not everyone lives inside a comfortable little box. There are all kinds of ways to do life.
      - koonsolo 3y ago
        Sure, if you are willing to compromise your privacy, which you clearly are.
- melagonster 3y ago
  In these companies, people are not permitted to carry their cellphone into workspace.

koonsolo 3y ago

> willingness to compromise privacy for convenience I have to ask: do you carry a cellphone?

survirtual 3y ago
This is not really a valid comparison. The cellphone is not a compromise for convenience. It allows me to make a living, providing internet connectivity and lets me keep in contact with friends and family. Without it, my freedoms would be drastically diminished. With software we develop with, we have choices. We can use OSS. We can try to use open hardware. If we are working on sensitive things, we can use an airgapped system with vim. When you practice these kinds of routines, they are not a burden. Actually, using vim instead of something like vscode increases productivity eventually. It does take a little bit of time. When we couple our productivity with centrally hosted services, we greatly diminish our freedom to be productive on a wide range of problem areas. I don't say this to brag, it is to maximize all of our freedom. In my view, most of us SHOULD be working on "sensitive" things. There is so, so much work to be done for the cause of freedom and liberty in software. We need to reserve that capability in us, we cannot let nameless people have an inside access to our expression.
- koonsolo 3y ago
  A cellphone literally tracks your every move. If that's not a privacy concern then I don't know what is. Maybe a device with a microphone that's constantly on you. Oh no wait, that's also a cellphone. I was born in the 70's, and I can tell you, you can survive just fine without a cellphone. All of what you describe can be done on a desktop. But hey, if you want to compromise your privacy for some convenience, that's your choice.
  - survirtual 3y ago
    Are you going to carry your desktop into the forest on a hammock and work? How about on a plane to other countries? Will you carry your desktop in your car while living on the road? In the middle of forests and on top of mountains? Will you work from a campsite with your desktop while not connected to the internet? Can you have a meeting via your desktop from a rocky beach and no internet service? A cellphone can't track what I type on my laptop, and it can't read encrypted comms my laptop makes to remote systems. I can put a cellphone in a distant location and use a portable, open source router with a VPN on the router, with encrypted, private DNS. Not everyone lives inside a comfortable little box. There are all kinds of ways to do life.
    - koonsolo 3y ago
      Sure, if you are willing to compromise your privacy, which you clearly are.
melagonster 3y ago
In these companies, people are not permitted to carry their cellphone into workspace.