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We picked Bitbucket instead of Github many years ago, basically because the person setting up the repos already knew Jira I’ve been very happy about that past

by nikanj 4y ago

We picked Bitbucket instead of Github many years ago, basically because the person setting up the repos already knew Jira I’ve been very happy about that past decision lately, Bitbucket is just…boring. It works, rarely gets in the way, and the company doesn’t really partake in politics in the tech scene

DoctorOW 4y ago
I've missed this, I guess. What Github politics?
- dijit 4y ago
  Its distant memories now, but there was a time that they did a lot to make left leaning ideology look good, likely setting back the movement. For example they mentioned publicly that “its hard to even interview a white male” and that “white women are the biggest barriers to [progressive policies] in tech”. There was also the whole kerfuffle with badgering repo maintainers to remove words such as blacklist, and (very minorly) the push for main instead of master (and the understandable frustration to everyone not bothering with identity politics). Honestly, I was following it at the time and I was greatly irritated at the time, now I’m just tired of it all and refuse to engage with the topic in any way. I can understand why others feel the same. Github has not done anything irritating in quite some time though, so its moot in my opinion.
  - DoctorOW 4y ago
    I think I've seen main instead of master, but I don't even recall that being a political issue. Although, I'm biased by my empiricism which means I generally only keep track of actual policy rather than "culture war" issues.
    - dijit 4y ago
      the most neutral source I could find: https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-main-starting-next-month/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-...
mrweasel 4y ago
The Bitbucket I've used have all been self-hosted and it's pretty good. There might be some cases where it doesn't have the features you want, but for 99% of all usage it's absolutely fine. The Jira integration is really neat and something I've missed in other setups. Your right it is kind of boring, and that's really all I want. GitHub is okay as well, but it's also pretty weird how it tries to be a social network to the point where I can't have the first page I see be my own repos.
dijit 4y ago
God I hate bitbucket. I can go into details about why if you want, but it's not relevant here and it's a bit off the topic in my opinion. So, just commenting so that; so then you're aware that bitbucket love is super far from universal.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  I didn't really mind it either way, but I knew someone who loved the integration of Confluence, Bitbucket, HipChat etc. I guess it's what you know and what features you want.
  - dijit 4y ago
    the useful integrations are even better in gitlab from my perspective. Gitlab, however, has priced itself out of being competitive in my opinion
    - robertlagrant 4y ago
      Yes, that is an issue. But I wonder if we need to get slightly more comfortable with paying for foundational tools. Docker is another one I'm happy to pay for, and I wish they'd got people paying 5 years ago.
difosfor 4y ago
Our experience with BitBucket in the Netherlands has been that it's slow, almost as bad as Jira. I also found the ways things like the PR interface and Markdown support etc to be lackluster with third party support for things like semantic-release lacking and painful. We haven't been affected by Github outages in the last 5 or so years that we've switched to that, so I'm happy we did. TL;DR: Perhaps the levels of service vary per region?
- mrweasel 4y ago
  As someone who used Jira and BitBucket quite a bit: The mistake was using the cloud version. It's really a shame that Atlassian have price almost everyone out of their self-hosted solutions, because those where always much faster. I'm sure that Atlassian understands the business case better than I do, but I just don't see the point of their offerings when I can't afford on-prem. The main selling point for us was always: "We do not want this data on any servers we do not control, and Atlassian products allows us to do that". Now you need to be able to afford a data center licens, and I can't imagine those sell to well, other that to existing customers who now have no choice.
dncornholio 4y ago
This is true, until bitbucket starts to go down.. The fact that it's better is just circumstantial.

by nikanj 4y ago

DoctorOW 4y ago

I've missed this, I guess. What Github politics?

dijit 4y ago
Its distant memories now, but there was a time that they did a lot to make left leaning ideology look good, likely setting back the movement. For example they mentioned publicly that “its hard to even interview a white male” and that “white women are the biggest barriers to [progressive policies] in tech”. There was also the whole kerfuffle with badgering repo maintainers to remove words such as blacklist, and (very minorly) the push for main instead of master (and the understandable frustration to everyone not bothering with identity politics). Honestly, I was following it at the time and I was greatly irritated at the time, now I’m just tired of it all and refuse to engage with the topic in any way. I can understand why others feel the same. Github has not done anything irritating in quite some time though, so its moot in my opinion.
- DoctorOW 4y ago
  I think I've seen main instead of master, but I don't even recall that being a political issue. Although, I'm biased by my empiricism which means I generally only keep track of actual policy rather than "culture war" issues.
  - dijit 4y ago
    the most neutral source I could find: https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-main-starting-next-month/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-...

mrweasel 4y ago

The Bitbucket I've used have all been self-hosted and it's pretty good. There might be some cases where it doesn't have the features you want, but for 99% of all usage it's absolutely fine. The Jira integration is really neat and something I've missed in other setups. Your right it is kind of boring, and that's really all I want. GitHub is okay as well, but it's also pretty weird how it tries to be a social network to the point where I can't have the first page I see be my own repos.

dijit 4y ago

God I hate bitbucket. I can go into details about why if you want, but it's not relevant here and it's a bit off the topic in my opinion. So, just commenting so that; so then you're aware that bitbucket love is super far from universal.

robertlagrant 4y ago
I didn't really mind it either way, but I knew someone who loved the integration of Confluence, Bitbucket, HipChat etc. I guess it's what you know and what features you want.
- dijit 4y ago
  the useful integrations are even better in gitlab from my perspective. Gitlab, however, has priced itself out of being competitive in my opinion
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    Yes, that is an issue. But I wonder if we need to get slightly more comfortable with paying for foundational tools. Docker is another one I'm happy to pay for, and I wish they'd got people paying 5 years ago.

difosfor 4y ago

Our experience with BitBucket in the Netherlands has been that it's slow, almost as bad as Jira. I also found the ways things like the PR interface and Markdown support etc to be lackluster with third party support for things like semantic-release lacking and painful. We haven't been affected by Github outages in the last 5 or so years that we've switched to that, so I'm happy we did. TL;DR: Perhaps the levels of service vary per region?

mrweasel 4y ago
As someone who used Jira and BitBucket quite a bit: The mistake was using the cloud version. It's really a shame that Atlassian have price almost everyone out of their self-hosted solutions, because those where always much faster. I'm sure that Atlassian understands the business case better than I do, but I just don't see the point of their offerings when I can't afford on-prem. The main selling point for us was always: "We do not want this data on any servers we do not control, and Atlassian products allows us to do that". Now you need to be able to afford a data center licens, and I can't imagine those sell to well, other that to existing customers who now have no choice.

dncornholio 4y ago

This is true, until bitbucket starts to go down.. The fact that it's better is just circumstantial.