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And don't forget, the situation is extremely messy from a legal perspective. Taiwan is an island, run by the Republic of China, the losers of the Chinese Civil

by sofixa 4y ago

And don't forget, the situation is extremely messy from a legal perspective. Taiwan is an island, run by the Republic of China, the losers of the Chinese Civil War, and both them and the PRC (mainland China) say there's only one China, and it's them. That's what the world recognises too, only one of them is the real China, and there's nothing else. For all intents and purposes Taiwan is a separate independent country nowadays thay doesn't actively claim to be China, but it's too late to change the situation (like by amending their constitution or status to say they're a separate country, Taiwan, and don't have anything to do with China anymore) because anything done today just might piss off China(PRC). Technically if China invades Taiwan, they'd be within their internationally recognised legal rights to retake a runaway province from the losers of a civil war. From a humanitarian perspective it would be a disaster of course, but on what grounds does anyone defend Taiwan when barely any country recognises Taiwan exists in the first place?

refurb 4y ago
Legal perspective? The only way you can enforce legality is with force. And whose is going to do that? The UN? Countries gain sovereignty either when the country they split off of allows it or they have the means to occupy and defend the land they claim is soverign.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > Legal perspective? The only way you can enforce legality is with force Dubious. The current legality of the situation is that Taiwan is de jure part of China (PRC), and the ROC is nobody. Nobody is enforcing that with force, it's maintained by the unwillingness of the ROC to provoke the PRC, and the unwillingness of the PRC to risk their credentials and trade over this, or they're hopeful one day the ROC will peacefully join them if relations and trade are good enough. > Countries gain sovereignty either when ... they have the means to occupy and defend the land they claim is soverign. Haiti, or much more recently Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria, North Cyprus, etc. prove this wrong. Even if you have full control of some land and claim to have full sovereignty over it, unless others recognise you, you're in a very bad situation. No international recognition -> no trade or international relations -> perpetually poor.
  - justinclift 4y ago
    > ... they're hopeful one day the ROC will peacefully join them if relations and trade are good enough. The stupid shit that China pulled in Hong Kong just a few years ago has pretty much put a nail into the coffin of that hope any time soon. All China had to do was keep to the "one country, two systems" approach in Hong Kong that had been working so well. But they couldn't even manage to do that, instead violating the agreement they themselves negotiated. So, it's pretty easy to see why the majority of Taiwanese want them fuck right off. ;)

by sofixa 4y ago

refurb 4y ago

Legal perspective? The only way you can enforce legality is with force. And whose is going to do that? The UN? Countries gain sovereignty either when the country they split off of allows it or they have the means to occupy and defend the land they claim is soverign.

sofixa 4y ago
> Legal perspective? The only way you can enforce legality is with force Dubious. The current legality of the situation is that Taiwan is de jure part of China (PRC), and the ROC is nobody. Nobody is enforcing that with force, it's maintained by the unwillingness of the ROC to provoke the PRC, and the unwillingness of the PRC to risk their credentials and trade over this, or they're hopeful one day the ROC will peacefully join them if relations and trade are good enough. > Countries gain sovereignty either when ... they have the means to occupy and defend the land they claim is soverign. Haiti, or much more recently Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria, North Cyprus, etc. prove this wrong. Even if you have full control of some land and claim to have full sovereignty over it, unless others recognise you, you're in a very bad situation. No international recognition -> no trade or international relations -> perpetually poor.
- justinclift 4y ago
  > ... they're hopeful one day the ROC will peacefully join them if relations and trade are good enough. The stupid shit that China pulled in Hong Kong just a few years ago has pretty much put a nail into the coffin of that hope any time soon. All China had to do was keep to the "one country, two systems" approach in Hong Kong that had been working so well. But they couldn't even manage to do that, instead violating the agreement they themselves negotiated. So, it's pretty easy to see why the majority of Taiwanese want them fuck right off. ;)