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And how many years will that take? Hint: more than we've got, if we want to have a prayer of avoiding more than 1.5 degrees of warning. Just read for yourself

And how many years will that take? Hint: more than we've got, if we want to have a prayer of avoiding more than 1.5 degrees of warning. Just read for yourself here: https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115452 https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/04/1115452 > “This assessment shows that limiting warming to around 2C (3.6F) still requires global greenhouse gas emissions to peak before 2025 at the latest, and be reduced by a quarter by 2030.” Ain't happenin', and this isn't going to get us there. Only massive, worldwide action will save us. Again, this is not a "fix" in any sense of the word. At best, by itself, it's a feel good measure. But I'm sure we won't commit to what it would really take.

BobbyJo 4y ago
"If I can't run a marathon then why leave the couch?"
- Paul-Craft 4y ago
  Where did I say we shouldn't do this? Was it perhaps in this comment where I said we should do it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35610696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35610696 My problem is in calling this a "fix." It's not a "fix." It's an incremental step, at best, and one that will make no difference unless we have massive, worldwide action. Please take the time to familiarize yourself with the comment guidelines: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
  - BobbyJo 4y ago
    If you apply your own advice to the original comment in this thread, they were saying it was one of the easiest things we can do, not that it was sufficient by itself. If I apply that interpretation of the original comment, and look at your comments as a rebuttal (which the strength of your language implies), it forces me to interpret them as "worrying about transportation is futile". Even in this comment here: > it's an incremental step, at best You are implying my interpretation wasn't wrong. If it's a step "at best", then what is it at worst?
paulryanrogers 4y ago
> Only massive, worldwide action will save us. Being apathetic at home isn't going to inspire others to do better. And there is no one silver bullet. The mess was made by many bad choices. It will take many better choices and laws to turn things around.
- Paul-Craft 4y ago
  This isn't apathy. It's real talk. If you don't like it, I don't know what to tell you. I explicitly said we should do this in another comment. My problem is with calling it a "fix." My best suggestion is that if you invent a time machine, go back to about 1950 and see if you can nudge events in such a way that the climate crisis doesn't happen.

BobbyJo 4y ago

"If I can't run a marathon then why leave the couch?"

Paul-Craft 4y ago
Where did I say we shouldn't do this? Was it perhaps in this comment where I said we should do it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35610696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35610696 My problem is in calling this a "fix." It's not a "fix." It's an incremental step, at best, and one that will make no difference unless we have massive, worldwide action. Please take the time to familiarize yourself with the comment guidelines: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
- BobbyJo 4y ago
  If you apply your own advice to the original comment in this thread, they were saying it was one of the easiest things we can do, not that it was sufficient by itself. If I apply that interpretation of the original comment, and look at your comments as a rebuttal (which the strength of your language implies), it forces me to interpret them as "worrying about transportation is futile". Even in this comment here: > it's an incremental step, at best You are implying my interpretation wasn't wrong. If it's a step "at best", then what is it at worst?

paulryanrogers 4y ago

> Only massive, worldwide action will save us. Being apathetic at home isn't going to inspire others to do better. And there is no one silver bullet. The mess was made by many bad choices. It will take many better choices and laws to turn things around.

Paul-Craft 4y ago
This isn't apathy. It's real talk. If you don't like it, I don't know what to tell you. I explicitly said we should do this in another comment. My problem is with calling it a "fix." My best suggestion is that if you invent a time machine, go back to about 1950 and see if you can nudge events in such a way that the climate crisis doesn't happen.