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The same way it was the US’ business to free you from Nazis just 80 years ago.

paganel 4y ago
In here it was the Soviets, actually. And equating current-day China with the Nazis makes companies like Apple what? Collaborators?
- reducesuffering 4y ago
  And you’re glad it was the Soviets?? Didn’t turn out so well for East Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, etc. No, China hasn’t set foot in Taiwan. If it does, by murdering thousands, then yes Apple would be rightfully seen as collaborators. As would you for supporting indifference to a murderous bloody invasion.
sofixa 4y ago
It wasn't, they only joined because Japan and later Nazi Germany declared war on them. If it was about "freeing" anyone, they would have stepped in much earlier. And just to be clear, the US had a massive part of the Allied war effort against the Axis, but they didn't singlehandedly win the war or free anyone, it was a joint effort with similarly massive Soviet and British (and Commonwealth) parts. As a reminder, Britain spent months fighting alone, and the vast vast majority of German troops were always on the Eastern Front while the Western Allies fought against subpar foreign "volunteers" or third-rate recovering German troops on the continent.
- reducesuffering 4y ago
  > It wasn't, they only joined because Japan and later Nazi Germany declared war on them. If it was about "freeing" anyone, they would have stepped in much earlier. Only because of isolationist "not my problem"s like GP, the current fringe right in the US, and others on HN. That's what we're fighting to not be like. Everything you said is pretty much true. It's also true that without the US, and especially US+UK, WW2 would've turned out very differently. Soviets could not beat the Nazis themselves. So you can still appreciate the US, UK, and the Soviets for freeing Europe. And the US and UK are telling Europe that you don't get to be saved by us and then shirk your responsibility to save someone else.

In here it was the Soviets, actually. And equating current-day China with the Nazis makes companies like Apple what? Collaborators?

reducesuffering 4y ago
And you’re glad it was the Soviets?? Didn’t turn out so well for East Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, etc. No, China hasn’t set foot in Taiwan. If it does, by murdering thousands, then yes Apple would be rightfully seen as collaborators. As would you for supporting indifference to a murderous bloody invasion.

sofixa 4y ago

It wasn't, they only joined because Japan and later Nazi Germany declared war on them. If it was about "freeing" anyone, they would have stepped in much earlier. And just to be clear, the US had a massive part of the Allied war effort against the Axis, but they didn't singlehandedly win the war or free anyone, it was a joint effort with similarly massive Soviet and British (and Commonwealth) parts. As a reminder, Britain spent months fighting alone, and the vast vast majority of German troops were always on the Eastern Front while the Western Allies fought against subpar foreign "volunteers" or third-rate recovering German troops on the continent.

reducesuffering 4y ago
> It wasn't, they only joined because Japan and later Nazi Germany declared war on them. If it was about "freeing" anyone, they would have stepped in much earlier. Only because of isolationist "not my problem"s like GP, the current fringe right in the US, and others on HN. That's what we're fighting to not be like. Everything you said is pretty much true. It's also true that without the US, and especially US+UK, WW2 would've turned out very differently. Soviets could not beat the Nazis themselves. So you can still appreciate the US, UK, and the Soviets for freeing Europe. And the US and UK are telling Europe that you don't get to be saved by us and then shirk your responsibility to save someone else.