3 ms·

What form of "AI" are you looking to avoid? Do you want to avoid the company engaging with AI? (Maybe because you don't want your searches being used as traini

by ketzu 3y ago

What form of "AI" are you looking to avoid? Do you want to avoid the company engaging with AI? (Maybe because you don't want your searches being used as training.) Do you want to avoid LLMs answering your search? I have not seen that widely adopted at all. Depending on what you consider "AI" the answer might range from all of them to none of them are using AI.

ochrist 3y ago
Mostly I want to ensure valid and correct search results, and I'm a bit worried that apparently all search engines are now struggling to use AI (ML/LLM) in one form or the other. I don't trust 'AI' in the current stage, and I don't have time (or reason) to teach them. As you didn't provide a list of applicable search engines, maybe you just proved my point: There are no general purpose search engines that do not employ 'AI' in one form or the other. I know there are several definitions of AI, so maybe this is really difficult to answer.
- gpderetta 3y ago
  > I want to ensure valid and correct search results, This hasn't been a thing for a long time, possibly never was.
- Kaijo 3y ago
  This is probably too far in the other direction, in that it seems not to have a web crawler, and only indexes submitted and curated links that meet some useability criteria, but, http://wiby.org/ http://wiby.org/
  - ochrist 3y ago
    This reminds me of some of the early search engines before Google took over the world. Very nostalgic but yeah: Maybe a bit too much in the other direction :-)
- ketzu 3y ago
  > As you didn't provide a list of applicable search engines, maybe you just proved my point No, I asked a question to clarify what you want because I find it difficult to understand your problem with search engines right now. All search engines I used recently, including Bing, produce a list of links. I can make assumptions about what you mean by AI, as it is the hot topic these days, maybe you talk about chatGPT style Large Language Models (LLMs) usage in search engines. Although, only Bing seems to do that right now and only in addition to traditional search. Traditional search is not neccessarily "AI free" depending on how we classify various algorithms and strategies. > I want to ensure valid and correct search results In my mind, the correctness of the information within the linked websites has little todo with AI usage of the search engine. Most search results I encounter are valid and correct in the form of the linked website existing and actually having content related to my search. Modern LLMs might actually be one of the few strategies to actually check correctness of search results at a large scale!
netsroht 3y ago
AI is a very broad term. Most search engines use some kind of ML for building their search index and also for ranking because it works very well. > Do you want to avoid LLMs answering your search? I have not seen that widely adopted at all. It's starting to get more though. The brief answers that sometimes show up right beneath the search term will most likely get improved by leveraging LLMs.

by ketzu 3y ago

ochrist 3y ago

Mostly I want to ensure valid and correct search results, and I'm a bit worried that apparently all search engines are now struggling to use AI (ML/LLM) in one form or the other. I don't trust 'AI' in the current stage, and I don't have time (or reason) to teach them. As you didn't provide a list of applicable search engines, maybe you just proved my point: There are no general purpose search engines that do not employ 'AI' in one form or the other. I know there are several definitions of AI, so maybe this is really difficult to answer.

gpderetta 3y ago
> I want to ensure valid and correct search results, This hasn't been a thing for a long time, possibly never was.
Kaijo 3y ago
This is probably too far in the other direction, in that it seems not to have a web crawler, and only indexes submitted and curated links that meet some useability criteria, but, http://wiby.org/ http://wiby.org/
- ochrist 3y ago
  This reminds me of some of the early search engines before Google took over the world. Very nostalgic but yeah: Maybe a bit too much in the other direction :-)
ketzu 3y ago
> As you didn't provide a list of applicable search engines, maybe you just proved my point No, I asked a question to clarify what you want because I find it difficult to understand your problem with search engines right now. All search engines I used recently, including Bing, produce a list of links. I can make assumptions about what you mean by AI, as it is the hot topic these days, maybe you talk about chatGPT style Large Language Models (LLMs) usage in search engines. Although, only Bing seems to do that right now and only in addition to traditional search. Traditional search is not neccessarily "AI free" depending on how we classify various algorithms and strategies. > I want to ensure valid and correct search results In my mind, the correctness of the information within the linked websites has little todo with AI usage of the search engine. Most search results I encounter are valid and correct in the form of the linked website existing and actually having content related to my search. Modern LLMs might actually be one of the few strategies to actually check correctness of search results at a large scale!

netsroht 3y ago

AI is a very broad term. Most search engines use some kind of ML for building their search index and also for ranking because it works very well. > Do you want to avoid LLMs answering your search? I have not seen that widely adopted at all. It's starting to get more though. The brief answers that sometimes show up right beneath the search term will most likely get improved by leveraging LLMs.