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How is it like saying "and zee"? The article pretty clearly outlines the logic here, and this would not be like that. If anything, it'd be "zee per se zee".

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• kgwgk 3y ago
  Because the alphabet was “a, b, …, x, y, z and &” (pronounced “… why zed and per se and”) and now it’s “a, b, …, x, y and z” (pronounced “… why and zed”).
  • boffinism 3y ago
    You're missing that "& per se &" would still have been called that even if it wasn't the last item in the list. If the order was "...y, & and z" you'd pronounce it "why and per se and and zed".
    • kgwgk 3y ago
      Is there any reason to believe so? Maybe it’s you who is missing what’s going on. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-the-ampersand https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-the-ampersand & was named ampersand in the context of rattling off the letters of the alphabet in English: “double-you ex wye izzard/zed, and”. “… And what?” “And, on its own, and” (and, per se, and). With “and” named in English, because this was an English rattling off of the alphabet.
      • boffinism 3y ago
        > Is there any reason to believe so? Yes, specificially this article: http://haggardhawksblog.blogspot.com/2015/03/ampersand.html http://haggardhawksblog.blogspot.com/2015/03/ampersand.html
        • kgwgk 3y ago
          I agree with palotasb about that article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35611618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35611618