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"break" has many meanings, but assuming you meant "break up" instead of "destroy": - China has openly supported Macron's "strategic autonomy" principle which a

"break" has many meanings, but assuming you meant "break up" instead of "destroy": - China has openly supported Macron's "strategic autonomy" principle which aims to distance EU from USA. - Ever since Xi got his regime extended, they've been inviting nation leaders to increase their influence. In last 5 months, they've invited Germany, Iran, Spain, France and Brazil. - They've brokered a peace deal between Iran and Saudi. Which is another loss for US influencer in middle east, threatening the current petrodollar hegemony. Note that I'm not condemning China. It's just an observation. And honestly, they would be dumb if they didn't do this while US is pissing off their key allies with rate hikes and the IRA Act.

sofixa 4y ago
> China has openly supported Macron's "strategic autonomy" principle which aims to distance EU from USA. I find this completely normal, but also shortsighted in a way. A more strategically autonomous and assertive EU wouldn't blindly follow US' follies (cf. Iraq), but that doesn't mean it won't side with the US for a just cause (cf. Ukraine). The democratic values in the US, Canada, UK and EU are too similar for a complete strategic divergence in policies. Therefore we'd get a more strong, integrated and assertive EU leading the way in many areas trade, manufacturing and regulations-wise, that still collaborates with US and friends when it makes sense and the cause is just (so not in invading Iran on imaginary pretenses, but if China invades Taiwan brutally à la Russia invading Ukraine, probably).
- creakingstairs 4y ago
  In short term, China loves "strategic autonomy" because Macron has also suggested that China invading Taiwan should not be EU's business under the principle(apparently he used much stronger words but was censored by his own communications team) In longer term, (pure speculation) I think China may believe that after a while, China would have so much global influence that even strategically autonomous EU would be reluctant to side with US even for blatantly "unjust" cause.
  - paganel 4y ago
    Why should China setting foot in Taiwan be EU's business? It's literally half-way around the globe from us.
    - reducesuffering 4y ago
      The same way it was the US’ business to free you from Nazis just 80 years ago.
      - paganel 4y ago
        In here it was the Soviets, actually. And equating current-day China with the Nazis makes companies like Apple what? Collaborators?
        reducesuffering 4y ago
        And you’re glad it was the Soviets?? Didn’t turn out so well for East Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, etc. No, China hasn’t set foot in Taiwan. If it does, by murdering thousands, then yes Apple would be rightfully seen as collaborators. As would you for supporting indifference to a murderous bloody invasion.
      - sofixa 4y ago
        It wasn't, they only joined because Japan and later Nazi Germany declared war on them. If it was about "freeing" anyone, they would have stepped in much earlier. And just to be clear, the US had a massive part of the Allied war effort against the Axis, but they didn't singlehandedly win the war or free anyone, it was a joint effort with similarly massive Soviet and British (and Commonwealth) parts. As a reminder, Britain spent months fighting alone, and the vast vast majority of German troops were always on the Eastern Front while the Western Allies fought against subpar foreign "volunteers" or third-rate recovering German troops on the continent.
        reducesuffering 4y ago

sofixa 4y ago

> China has openly supported Macron's "strategic autonomy" principle which aims to distance EU from USA. I find this completely normal, but also shortsighted in a way. A more strategically autonomous and assertive EU wouldn't blindly follow US' follies (cf. Iraq), but that doesn't mean it won't side with the US for a just cause (cf. Ukraine). The democratic values in the US, Canada, UK and EU are too similar for a complete strategic divergence in policies. Therefore we'd get a more strong, integrated and assertive EU leading the way in many areas trade, manufacturing and regulations-wise, that still collaborates with US and friends when it makes sense and the cause is just (so not in invading Iran on imaginary pretenses, but if China invades Taiwan brutally à la Russia invading Ukraine, probably).

creakingstairs 4y ago
In short term, China loves "strategic autonomy" because Macron has also suggested that China invading Taiwan should not be EU's business under the principle(apparently he used much stronger words but was censored by his own communications team) In longer term, (pure speculation) I think China may believe that after a while, China would have so much global influence that even strategically autonomous EU would be reluctant to side with US even for blatantly "unjust" cause.
- paganel 4y ago
  Why should China setting foot in Taiwan be EU's business? It's literally half-way around the globe from us.
  - reducesuffering 4y ago
    The same way it was the US’ business to free you from Nazis just 80 years ago.
    - paganel 4y ago
      In here it was the Soviets, actually. And equating current-day China with the Nazis makes companies like Apple what? Collaborators?
      - reducesuffering 4y ago
        And you’re glad it was the Soviets?? Didn’t turn out so well for East Germany, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, etc. No, China hasn’t set foot in Taiwan. If it does, by murdering thousands, then yes Apple would be rightfully seen as collaborators. As would you for supporting indifference to a murderous bloody invasion.
    - sofixa 4y ago
      It wasn't, they only joined because Japan and later Nazi Germany declared war on them. If it was about "freeing" anyone, they would have stepped in much earlier. And just to be clear, the US had a massive part of the Allied war effort against the Axis, but they didn't singlehandedly win the war or free anyone, it was a joint effort with similarly massive Soviet and British (and Commonwealth) parts. As a reminder, Britain spent months fighting alone, and the vast vast majority of German troops were always on the Eastern Front while the Western Allies fought against subpar foreign "volunteers" or third-rate recovering German troops on the continent.
      - reducesuffering 4y ago