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Why do you believe China has a desire to break the Western world?
by brabel 4y ago
Why do you believe China has a desire to break the Western world?
- throwaway2990 4y agoSo it can do what it wants. Like control the South China Sea. Invade Taiwan. Reroute all rivers flowing into India for itself. Steal natural resources from countries. Control foreign governments. Basically everything it does now but without having to worry about everyone rallying against them.
- Bimos 4y agoSouth China Sea, Taiwan, India. Which of them is located in "Western"?
- throwaway2990 4y ago> Basically everything it does now but without having to worry about everyone rallying against them. Which part do you not understand?
- abudabi123 4y agoAsk the Roman Catholic Pope? Wasn't a decision made centuries ago?
- rob74 4y agoSo, imperialism. Which is what Western powers also did openly until the 1960s TBH, and less openly until today. Let's hope that Xi is less deluded than Putin and realizes that cooperation is better than confrontation. And the West has to try to remove some of the eggs from the Chinese basket and put them somewhere else...
- andybak 4y agoI must admit to largely preferring the less open version.
- throwaway2990 4y ago> Which is what Western powers also did openly until the 1960s TBH Sure. I wasn’t born then. But I would like to think society and governments have grown up since then and we can agree that invasion is wrong. Abuse of power is wrong. Britain has given up a lot of what it took. It has no control or say in australia or New Zealand. It gave HK back. Left Singapore, Myanmar, India. Etc. Obviously we can’t change what happened. None of us on HN or our families etc had any say in what happened for generations before we were born. But in 2023 we should be at a point where we can acknowledge it’s wrong and stop it from happening. Russia and China haven’t got that memo yet.
- sofixa 4y ago> Britain has given up a lot of what it took. It has no control or say in australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor-General_of_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor-General_of_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional... https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/14/australian-governor-who-removed-pm-in-1975-assured-of-his-powers-by-queen-s-office-letters https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/14/australian-governor-who-...
- throwaway2990 4y agoIn 1999 australia also voted to maintain its ties with Britain. But because of 1975 Britain has less powers in australia. When was the last time Britain interfered with Australia to a large extent?
- spaceman_2020 4y agoChina won't invade Taiwan. Xi isn't going to oversee the massacre of fellow Han people. There is very little appetite within the CCP for openly invading Taiwan. Looking at the diplomatic wins China has racked up recently, it's entirely possible Taiwan willingly folds itself into China within a decade.
- throwaway2990 4y agoDoubtful. People in Taiwan don’t consider themselves Chinese. They don’t want anything to do with China. A lot of Taiwanese believe they have more in common with japan than they do with China. After what happened with HK they do not believe China can be trusted at any capacity. China is banking on KMT winning next year so they can try and invade from the inside. But Taiwan won’t go peacefully.
- yrlihuan 4y agoExactly. You know which country is most willing to see a war around China's border? The US. That's the most effective way it can form an anti-China aliance and hit its biggest rival.
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- refurb 4y agoChina absolutely will take Taiwan by force. Xi recently stated it as an objective at the start of his 3rd term. Taiwan absolutely wont go willingly. What do you think all the military exercises (by both sides) are for if China and Taiwan think it’s going to be resolved peacefully?
- justinclift 4y ago"Break" might not be the right word. China is clearly trying to supplant the US as the self-described "leader" of the world though.
- Haga 4y ago[dead]
- throwaway4good 4y agoIt doesn't; what is happening is the result of changed attitudes towards China particular in the US. It would have preferred to trade more with and have further cultural ties with the US.
- andybak 4y agoNah.
- oaw-bct-ar-bamf 4y agoDemocratic governments with freedom of expression and free speech is not compatible with the Chinese governance system
- creakingstairs 4y ago"break" has many meanings, but assuming you meant "break up" instead of "destroy": - China has openly supported Macron's "strategic autonomy" principle which aims to distance EU from USA. - Ever since Xi got his regime extended, they've been inviting nation leaders to increase their influence. In last 5 months, they've invited Germany, Iran, Spain, France and Brazil. - They've brokered a peace deal between Iran and Saudi. Which is another loss for US influencer in middle east, threatening the current petrodollar hegemony. Note that I'm not condemning China. It's just an observation. And honestly, they would be dumb if they didn't do this while US is pissing off their key allies with rate hikes and the IRA Act.
- sofixa 4y ago> China has openly supported Macron's "strategic autonomy" principle which aims to distance EU from USA. I find this completely normal, but also shortsighted in a way. A more strategically autonomous and assertive EU wouldn't blindly follow US' follies (cf. Iraq), but that doesn't mean it won't side with the US for a just cause (cf. Ukraine). The democratic values in the US, Canada, UK and EU are too similar for a complete strategic divergence in policies. Therefore we'd get a more strong, integrated and assertive EU leading the way in many areas trade, manufacturing and regulations-wise, that still collaborates with US and friends when it makes sense and the cause is just (so not in invading Iran on imaginary pretenses, but if China invades Taiwan brutally à la Russia invading Ukraine, probably).
- creakingstairs 4y agoIn short term, China loves "strategic autonomy" because Macron has also suggested that China invading Taiwan should not be EU's business under the principle(apparently he used much stronger words but was censored by his own communications team) In longer term, (pure speculation) I think China may believe that after a while, China would have so much global influence that even strategically autonomous EU would be reluctant to side with US even for blatantly "unjust" cause.
- paganel 4y ago
- spaceman_2020 4y agoThat's just western fantasy and fearmongering.
- refurb 4y agoHow on earth did you get "desire to break the Western world" from the statement "hoping to break Australia away from the Western Alliance". "Break away" as in "separate" or "remove from the group".