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Natural gas is underground and virtually never has an outage. What? I mean the obvious response is to point out that time that PG&E used natural gas to blow u

Natural gas is underground and virtually never has an outage. What? I mean the obvious response is to point out that time that PG&E used natural gas to blow up a San Bruno neighborhood. After the explosion we found out that PG&E actually had no idea how much they could pressurize their pipeline (and in fact they falsified records to cover this up). https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-pge-safety-investigation-20181214-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-pge-safety-investigat... Beyond that leaks happen all the time, and explosions happen from time to time. I'm just gonna throw it out there, PG&E turns off gas service when there's a leak… causing… you know… an outage. Oakland City Hall evacuated due to gas leak. 2014. https://w3.calema.ca.gov/mail/OperationsPortal.nsf/89f857187d56de8c882580ae0082bae6/090e2ea65328855188257d8200033c2b?OpenDocument https://w3.calema.ca.gov/mail/OperationsPortal.nsf/89f857187... Car crash causes Oakland gas leak. 2021. https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/14/oakland-street-evacuated-after-car-crash-caused-major-gas-leak/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/14/oakland-street-evacua... Oakland gas explosion. 2010. https://6abc.com/archive/7828878/ https://6abc.com/archive/7828878/ Gas leak, explosion. San Francisco, 2007. https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/02/07/gas-leak-causes-explosion-in-s-f/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/02/07/gas-leak-causes-explo... Natural gas power plant explosion in Hayward. 2021. https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/calpine-natural-gas-plant-explosion-complicates-calif-summer-grid-reliability-65379696 https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights... Gas explosion, three alarm fire. San Francisco. 2019 https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-gas-explosion-fire-inferno-evacuations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-gas-... Gas explosion and fire. Daly City, 2023. https://abc7news.com/daly-city-gas-line-fire-evacuations-leak/12891914/ https://abc7news.com/daly-city-gas-line-fire-evacuations-lea... Gas leak, evacuations. Sausalito 2022. https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/fire-units-respond-to-natural-gas-leak-in-sausalito/ https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/fire-units-respond-to-na... Gas leak, evacuations. Antioch, 2023. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/gas-leak-in-antioch-leads-to-some-home-evacuations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/gas-leak-in-antioc... Gas leak, evacuations. San Francisco, 2022. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/evacuations-shelter-in-place-due-to-water-main-break-gas-leak-on-union-street/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/evacuations-shelte... Gas leak, evacuations. Menlo Park, 2022. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/crash-menlo-park-shopping-center-gas-leak-evacuations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/crash-menlo-park-s... Gas leak, evacuations. Corte Madera, 2022. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/corte-madera-gas-leak-evacuation-granada-drive-sonora-way-endeavor-drive/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/corte-madera-gas-l... Ruptured gas line, evacuations. San Francisco, 2022. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/ruptured-gas-line-in-san-franciscos-sunnyside-leads-to-evacuations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/ruptured-gas-line-... Gas leak, shelter-in-place. Emeryville, 2022. https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/emeryville-gas-leak-6600-shellmound-street/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/emeryville-gas-lea... Gas leak, evacuations. Morgan Hill, 2021 https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/firefighters-at-scene-of-morgan-hill-gas-leak-some-evacuations-ordered/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/firefighters-at-sc... PG&E causes gas leak, evacuations. Daly City, 2012. https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/07/09/pge-worker-causes-leak-in-daly-city-neighbors-evacuated/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/07/09/pge-worker-causes-lea... Gas leak, evacuations. Daly City, 2019. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/significant-gas-leak-prompts-evacuations-in-daly-city/2199716/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/significant-gas-leak-p... Gas leak. Daly City, 2017. https://patch.com/california/pacifica/gas-leak-fixed-nearby-daly-city https://patch.com/california/pacifica/gas-leak-fixed-nearby-... Gas leak. Foster City, 2015. https://www.kron4.com/news/vehicle-crash-causes-gas-leak-in-foster-city/1032807866/ https://www.kron4.com/news/vehicle-crash-causes-gas-leak-in-... Gas leak. San Francisco, 2016. https://www.kron4.com/news/crews-at-scene-of-gas-leak-in-san-francisco/ https://www.kron4.com/news/crews-at-scene-of-gas-leak-in-san...

refurb 4y ago
None of those are broad interruptions of service?
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  Neither are the overwhelming majority of electrical outages. Then again firemen don't usually respond to electrical outages, and most electrical outages don't trigger evacuations, so there's that. Besides the claim was "virtually never has an outage" not "virtually never has a widespread outage". And im not talking the boonies. Im talking just outside San Francisco. Aside from the market manipulation outages of 2001 and the initial round of public safety shutoffs, there weren't widespread interruptions of service. In fact last year the only rolling blackouts in the Bay Area were more or less accidental as whatever city (Alameda? Palo Alto?) jumped the gun. Gas is way more reliable than electricity in CA. Meanwhile Texas had widespread natural gas outages in 2021 and 2022. It's been a few years since I've had a power outage out here, and given the current state of PG&E's gas infra I wouldn't exactly call it reliable. The thing with a power outage is that you'll sit around and enjoy having gas appliances. Whereas with a gas outage, you'll sit around and hope your house doesn't blow up.
  - refurb 4y ago
    California has had rolling black outs the last few summers. And im not talking the boonies. Im talking just outside San Francisco. Gas is way more reliable than electricity in CA.
    - inferiorhuman 4y ago
      Oh if we're talking the rest of California… it's less of a service outage and more like a mass evacuation (8,000+ families). Then again I'd say regular leaks, fires, and explosions do not a reliable delivery system make. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-27/so-cal-gas-settles-over-huge-aliso-canyon-gas-leak https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-27/so-cal-g...

refurb 4y ago

None of those are broad interruptions of service?

inferiorhuman 4y ago
Neither are the overwhelming majority of electrical outages. Then again firemen don't usually respond to electrical outages, and most electrical outages don't trigger evacuations, so there's that. Besides the claim was "virtually never has an outage" not "virtually never has a widespread outage". And im not talking the boonies. Im talking just outside San Francisco. Aside from the market manipulation outages of 2001 and the initial round of public safety shutoffs, there weren't widespread interruptions of service. In fact last year the only rolling blackouts in the Bay Area were more or less accidental as whatever city (Alameda? Palo Alto?) jumped the gun. Gas is way more reliable than electricity in CA. Meanwhile Texas had widespread natural gas outages in 2021 and 2022. It's been a few years since I've had a power outage out here, and given the current state of PG&E's gas infra I wouldn't exactly call it reliable. The thing with a power outage is that you'll sit around and enjoy having gas appliances. Whereas with a gas outage, you'll sit around and hope your house doesn't blow up.
- refurb 4y ago
  California has had rolling black outs the last few summers. And im not talking the boonies. Im talking just outside San Francisco. Gas is way more reliable than electricity in CA.
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    Oh if we're talking the rest of California… it's less of a service outage and more like a mass evacuation (8,000+ families). Then again I'd say regular leaks, fires, and explosions do not a reliable delivery system make. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-27/so-cal-gas-settles-over-huge-aliso-canyon-gas-leak https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-27/so-cal-g...