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The naming is confusing and evil. 1. This is not based on GPT4. If you're going to include the words "GPT4" in your name and not base it on GPT4, what else can
by laserbeam 4y ago
The naming is confusing and evil.
1. This is not based on GPT4. If you're going to include the words "GPT4" in your name and not base it on GPT4, what else can I not trust you about?
2. There's no direct link to the actual model used, just a reference to GPT-J.
3. I searched for GPT-J, huggingface docs describes it as a GPT-2-like model, the repo for it was started in august 2021, and hasn't really had significant updates in a long while.
Honestly, I don't want to spend time figuring out if this is worth it, trust is already out the window.
- j45 4y ago4 in the name isn’t terribly misleading. The name could also age well after GPT5 comes out. It stood out to me as “for” more then the current GPT model.
- FooBarWidget 4y agoNot sure why this post was downvoted but I concur. I never read GPT4All as "(GPT4)-all" but as "GPT for all", as in "a ChatGPT-like thing that everyone can run locally". It surprises me somewhat that someone reads this as "related to GPT4", but it annoys me even more that the person also immediately assumes malice.
- laserbeam 4y agoYou can refer to it as GPT for all, but it sure looks like it uses the name to bank on the fact that GPT4 is popular, even if it has no relation to it.
- FooBarWidget 4y agoIt banks on the fact that "GPT" is popular, definitely, but not "GPT-4" (the specific version) in particular.
- harvey9 4y agoI read it as 'for' but I'd still call it a bit misleading regarding what it can do. However, this is a very fast moving topic and a month from now this entire post will be about as relevant as the Saxon Chronicles.
- psychphysic 4y agoA good test will be what happens once ChatGPT 5 or 6 is out. I suspect people will stop using gpt4all and Devs will come up with some inexplicable reason to name their junk project gpt7.
- skilled 4y agoNo, no. It will be GPT5forAll then.
- manyoso 4y agoYou're being cynical for no good reason. Everything we've done has been put out under Apache 2 or MIT license. We take the 4 all seriously. See here for proof: https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all-chat/issues/62#issue-1672109075 https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all-chat/issues/62#issue-167...
- harvey9 4y agoEven if you didn't mean 'for', compare the mobile service company 'Three' which was named to refer to 3g and are doing fine with the same name even though they now sell 5g service.
- psychphysic 4y agoDifference is GPT4all is likely stuck at GPT2.5 quality forever. It'd be like Three calling naming themselves after 3g but offering 2.5g then continuing to offer than while everyone moved on to 5g. I'm doing my best to always be constructive and I'd suggest that what we really need is something that could work as an edge processor.
- j45 4y agoI'm not sure why I was downvoted. It might not be 100% clear, but the user of "4" as part of naming something is not uncommon in common vernacular. The timing isn't permanent to me, the meaning of using GPT4 will prevail in the long run when GPT5,6,7 goes.
- visarga 4y agoThis is an old joke started by Yannic Kilcher when he named his model gpt4Chan
- manyoso 4y agoYour loss. GPT is a term of art in the industry. It isn’t owned by OpenAI.
- croes 4y agoBut GPT4 is associated with OpenAI
- manyoso 4y agoGPT4 is like SearchEngine4
- Uehreka 4y agoThis argument came up on the post about MiniGPT-4 earlier. The thing is, it’s not us you need to convince. If OpenAI starts hitting you with takedown notices, your hosting providers aren’t going to hear your arguments and go “Ah, ya got us on this one!” Granted, maybe OpenAI will decide not to go after you, it’s up to them in the end. But if their lawyers feel these projects threaten to genericize the “GPT-4” trademark, they will be obligated to issue takedowns or they’ll risk claims that they aren’t defending their mark.
- manyoso 4y agoAnd if they do that they will really be putting to bed that openai is not so open won't they and have strayed far from their founding goals. But I don't believe they will do this. Lots of good people at OpenAI who I think can/will stand up to any money lords who've come into the place.
- blatant303 4y ago> Lots of good people at OpenAI who I think can/will stand up Concretely ?
- Uehreka 4y agoThey did this to DALL-E Mini, that’s why they had to change their name to craiyon. This highly visible action did not seem to sway public opinion on OpenAI much. The whole “they aren’t actually open” thing is already priced in to people’s opinions. OpenAI’s models are so important that people have to put that to the side.
- sbierwagen 4y agoGPT-J is a 6 billion parameter model. (3.4% of the size of GPT-3) Having used both, I'd say it's worse than Alpaca-7B, which itself is not ChatGPT-grade.
- MacsHeadroom 4y agoGPT-3.5 is probably a finetuned Curie (13B). But GPT-J is so far down on the benchmarks, it's definitely not "ChatGPT-grade". Vicuna-13B v1.1 is arguably though.
- skilled 4y agoHard agree. I cringe at these projects using GPT4 name. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of these devs don't even have access to the actual GPT4 API.
- copper-float 4y ago[flagged]
- dustymcp 4y agoit was named before gpt4 was put calm down lol
- Kelamir 4y agoIt's made by the same people here https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all who initially distributed a LLaMA based model finetuned for conversations over torrent. I think you're overly critical. GPT4All naming is fine in my opinion, it's literally "GPT for all", but I can see why people would dislike it.
- capableweb 4y agoGPT4All is obviously capitalizing on the hype of GPT4, it's very unlikely to just be a coincident that it's has GPT4 in the name while GPT4 is receiving a lot of attention. They could have named it GPTForAll, but chose a 4 instead of "for" for obvious reasons.
- manyoso 4y agoIt is not capitalizing so much as responding in a suggestive way. This project was started as a response to GPT-4, it is true. When OpenAI came out with version 4 and then refused to release any technical information whatsoever that was a wake up call for the founder. He correctly saw openai straying from its original goal to serve humanity by making a landing strip for safe AGI. The name was suggestive of what OpenAI has forgotten... that this foundational technology should be open to everyone. 4all. That is why we've released everything we've done under Apache 2.0 or MIT licenses. We're not being cynical.
- capableweb 4y agoI don't disagree with any of that, but if a project is started in response to something, and then you use their very name for a thing they launched, while not having anything to do with that thing, then that's a bit misleading for the users. For example, if I don't like what Microsoft is doing with Windows and I name my own OS WindowsPro while it being a Linux distribution, I'm clearly trying to mislead people into believing it's something it's not.
- manyoso 4y ago
- seydor 4y agoCome on gpt4all predates gpt4 (iirc) and it means gpt for all. OpenAI does not have a trademark on the number 4
- jack_pp 4y agoWhile that may be true, to avoid confusion and considering GPT4 is magnitudes more advanced than this project and thus way more popular of a brand.. they should make this crystal clear in the first few lines
- manyoso 4y agoSee the recent update to https://gpt4all.io https://gpt4all.io which does exactly that: "Running on your local computer, this model is not as powerful as those GPT models you can chat with over the internet by sending your data to large powerful servers and is not affiliated with them."
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- wokwokwok 4y agoI have no idea, but the first commit in that repo is this one: https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all/commit/4f5c513e710b73ad506eddd573f7269f6ce5768b https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all/commit/4f5c513e710b73ad5... “Three weeks ago” So uh… that’s total BS, unless there’s more history to it than is obvious.
- weberer 4y ago>2. There's no direct link to the actual model used, just a reference to GPT-J. It mentions it in the Github README. >Building and running >Download https://huggingface.co/EleutherAI/gpt-j-6b https://huggingface.co/EleutherAI/gpt-j-6b
- gigatexal 4y agoyeah at best this is a silly mistake but it's probably an understood move to ride the coat tails of the GPT4 hype cycle. No way a 3GB model is GPT4 and it runs on a CPU.
- kevinak 4y agoThis is what we in the Bitcoin ecosystem call an "Affinity Scam". Make it sound like something it isn't to capitalize on the hype. It's honestly quite sad :(
- manyoso 4y agoWhat is quite sad is that OpenAI has strayed from being open and for everyone like its original founding principles suggested. When GPT-4 came out they released hardly any technical information. This project was a response to that and suggests, rightfully, what OpenAI should be doing: creating this foundational technology and making advances that help everyone. Make it for all.
- kevinak 4y agoSure, but that's a completely separate issue.
- manyoso 4y agoThere is no wrong here though. The frontpage clearly states this is not chatgpt. No one is misleading anyone.
- ironick09 4y ago…except the name of the site.
- gizmo 4y agoWho do you think you’re kidding with this rationalization? It doesn’t matter whether your goal is to mislead people, it’s still deception to call something gpt4 when it absolutely isn’t. And your poor responses to this criticism speaks volumes about your character.
- manyoso 4y agoIt isn't GPT4 and we don't call it that. And we clearly state that on our front page in first few lines. GPT is a term of art. OpenAI does not own it. You can think all you want about my character but I'm sleeping well. There is no effort to be deceptive and I've clearly explained what the name is about and why it was chosen.
- linedash 4y ago'evil'. Enough with the hyperbole.
- BiteCode_dev 4y agoGPT is going to become a common noun soon, just like people associated google with search engine. That annoys me as well that everything AI is GPT something even if nobody but open ai has access to GTP models, but that's how it is. We can't stop that train.
- criley2 4y agoLet's not confuse the liars (GPT4All) with the real ones. Microsoft works with OpenAI and so Bing does use GPT-4. Github Copilot is GPT-3 based. Notion AI is GPT-3. There is a clear difference between the GPT family and the mimicry.
- criddell 4y agoThey are going to try to stop that train. They have a pending application for a trademark on the term GPT and I suspect they wouldn't have applied for trademark protection if they didn't intend to stop others from using it.
- manyoso 4y agoAnd they should fail. The term is generic and widely used before they tried to brand with it.
- criddell 4y agoThey already have been granted trademark protection for GPT-3[1]. If I had to place a bet one way or the other, I would guess they will get GPT as well. You say it's widely used but even here GPT is mostly synonymous with OpenAI products and services. Even in this thread, plenty of people are complaining about the confusion caused by the name GPT4All. [1]: https://trademarks.justia.com/900/92/gpt-90092493.html https://trademarks.justia.com/900/92/gpt-90092493.html
- manyoso 4y agoThe fact that this confusion exists actually argues why they shouldn't be granted it actually as this project exists prior to them receiving it.
- syndacks 4y ago4. All trust goes out the window when text is unnecessarily center-aligned
- beanjuiceII 4y agothis does seem like a scam, maybe they should take it down before someone actually downloads and tries to run the thing